Tuesday, 12 November 2013

Both originate with Semitic peoples in the Middle East.

Both eschew pork.

Both practise the genital mutilation of children.

Both developed a moral code based on an in-group/out-group concept, with members of the out-group being portrayed as impure.

Both have strong cultural sanctions against marriage to members of the out-group.

Both see contemporary and historical events through the prism of a victimhood narrative, in which each is the victim of other people’s wrong-doing.

Both display an astonishingly strong sense of empathy with other members of their in-group living elsewhere in the world, coupled with an equally astonishing disregard for members of their out-group, even people they have grown up with or interact with in daily life.

Both falsify history to claim that European civilisation’s ascent to global dominance would have been impossible without them. Generally, this takes the form of laying claim to inventions that are alleged to have played a key role in this ascent.

Both claim that anyone who criticises their conduct must be motivated by irrational, pathological hatreds: Islamophobia and anti-semitism. Curiously, there are no other examples of such alleged motiveless hatreds of any other people or religion found elsewhere within the historical record.

Both are incapable of admitting historical wrong-doing because this would conflict with their divinely-mandated self-image as faultless: Muslims “The Perfect Nation”, Jews “The Chosen People”.

Both developed moral codes that permit the use of deception against members of their out-group.

Both have developed cultures and ideologies that are, in effect, forms of borderless nationalism. As such, they act in opposition to nationalism of the more traditional type, that is the attachment of peoples to their historical homelands.

Both demand that governments use their power to criminalise and otherwise repress free expression.

Both cultures have been characterised by very high levels of consanguineous marriage and the genetic abnormalities that follow from this.

Both share a long historical experience of living as minorities in other people’s countries.

Both obsess about defensive reactions to their past aggression against others, excluding from their standard narrative the initial action that provoked the defensive reaction from the out-group. Muslims obsess about the Crusades, omitting to mention the fact that the Crusades were a reaction to centuries of Muslim invasion, conquest, murder and enslavement of indigenous Christians. Jews obsess about fascism, omitting to mention the fact the fascism was a reaction to the Jewish-dominated Bolshevist movements that victimised millions of indigenous Christians.

Both are strong advocates of diversity, multiculturalism and immigration within European societies but show no interest in such policies within their own homelands.

Both have developed cultures of rule-following with elaborate systems of rules governing the minutiae of daily life, derived from revered written texts and time-honoured commentaries upon them. In the tension between bureaucracy and democracy that characterises our own times, that is the practise of rule-following versus the use of independent judgement, this perhaps predisposes both sets of Oriental peoples to favour the former.

Both exhibit an overblown pride, amounting to a sense of supremacism, that sits curiously at odds with the historical failure of their own societies.

For both, the obligation to emigrate forms part of religious tradition. Jews believe their god told Abraham to emigrate to Canaan to found a religiously pure community. Muslims believe their god told Muhammad to emigrate to Medina to found a religiously pure community.

When resident in countries not their own, both tend to construct parallel societies within the greater society, featuring separate schools and legal systems.

Both view themselves collectively, developing institutions intended to represent their collective interests to the outside world.

Both eschew fact-based discussion, tending to express disagreement by launching moral accusations and invoking emotionally-charged symbols and associations rather than engaging in rational, evidence-based discourse.

49 comments:

isntlam said...

You're ignoring some major contrasts. Do Jews engage in sectarian wars with other Jews? Do Jews believe in jihad? Do Jews do suicide bombings? Do Jews kill homosexuals? Do Jews stone adulterers? Have Jews failed to make reforms to their religion?

Anonymous said...

Let's just avoid going down the road of fueling the neo nazi stereotype the liberals like so much.

Anonymous said...

Isntlam, if you look at past Jewish history when they were more powerful as a group (as opposed to a minority living in Europe and other countries) there were plenty of sectarian jewish conflicts; first and foremost the Maccabees spring to mind, who were against the Hellenised Jews.

Today Hassidic and ultra orthodox don't get along with progressive or conservative jews.

mementoil said...

Great Post!

Now can we please have another one, named "Differences between Jews and Muslims"?
I'll give you the first one:
Muslims have a strange tendency to blow up in the middle of the street while Jews do not.

mementoil said...

And one other thing -

Your little list here completely ignores the fact that most Jews nowadays, like myself, are secular Jews.

This means that we do not consider ourselves to be any better than other nations, we do not consider outsiders to be impure, and all the other nonsense you have written, out of blatant ignorance.

PS - Guess what? many of us Jews don't even eat Kosher, and enjoy pork every now and then...

Paul Wilkinson said...

In my humble opinion, when this blog used to stick to the subject that the title suggests, it was fantastic (I'm a regular viewer for the past 3 years & It still is when it's 'on-topic'). However the 'Islam versus Europe' title has now become largely defunct and something like 'Jews/Muslims/Islam/Black people, etc versus Europe'.

Of course there's similarities between Judaism & Islam because Muhammad copied Judaism, Paganism & bits of Christianity. I think that's where the similarites end because the Qur'an says Jews are the enemy, whereas in reality most Jews just want to be left alone by Muslims.

Btw, or the record I am English, Christian & an active 'counter-jihadist' (for nearly 4 years now) & personally I am pro-Israel & the Jewish people in general - they are surrounded by hostile countries that want to destroy them.

There's been comments on this blog about Zionists are behind 'flooding Europe with Muslims'? Where's the evidence for this because Jews in Europe suffer the most as a result? Look at France, Sweden, Norway, etc.

Another conspiracy theory is that Zionists 'control the media' ... Can anyone who thinks this please explain the anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian bias in the media?

Well it's your blog & it's all about opinions, but I'm just expressing my opinion & I will continue to visit this blog for it's informative articles & links regarding Islam and ignore the anti-semitism. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

With all due respect Mr Wilkinson, CZ doesn't exactly beholden himself to the idea that Jews run the media, rather he believes that in the intellectual discourse of the pros and cons of multiculturalism, it's predominantly Jews who are pro mass immigration and pro multiculturalism and pro the erosion of European culture.

He has courageously, in my opinion, addressed these points in other blog posts.

I'm pro-israeli simply because they are more of a boon to us than either a bane or a drain but CZ does raise an interesting point; why are jews so over represented in inhuman, totalitarian left-wing ideologies? The Bolsheviks who slaughtered the Romanov family were predominantly Jewish, as was the Politburo of Lenin.

Very strange coincidence if you ask me, but as you rightly point out not exactly proof of a conspiracy in and of itself. When taken as a whole, however...

Walter Sieruk said...

If Islam is repsented as a tree then tree then the fruit of this tree are the many different Islamic terror groups. Such as al Qaeda, al Shababa, Anser al Islam, Hamas ,Hezbollah, PIJ, etc. many members of these groups put into practice the murderous violence of Islam’s militant jihadism, Sura 9:112. 47:4.. In the light of this the teachings of Jesus very much apply. For Jesus taught “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles ? Even so every good tree bringth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringth forth evil fruit. A good tree bring forth good fruit.” After saying this Jesus told them what He told them when He said “By their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:16,17,18,20. [KJV] In conclusion, Islam is a corrupt tree and also a false religion.

Anonymous said...

Yep they wil unify in their hate for the pig eating infidel/goyim

Paul Wilkinson said...

Thanks 'Anonymous' for the reply.

Yes you are right, but I did not clarify what I meant; the statement of the 'Zionists control the media' was not aimed at CZ specifically, but rather than an open question which I then posed to whoever read the comment. Hope that clarifies it now!! ;)

For the record, I am totally ANTI-multiculturalism myself. However - whether anyone likes it or not - due to labour skills shortages or Brits emigrating abroad, etc, Britain does need 'some' immigration. My view is that this immigration is entirely on a needs basis & without question totally non-muslim (as far as possible). Ultimately there will be non-white European Christian immigrants, but they should have to integrate into the host culture & not supplant it.

However, I'm not aware of any evidence at all that: "it's predominantly Jews who are pro mass immigration and pro multiculturalism and pro the erosion of European culture."?

I cannot see a) why Jews would want to do this? b) surely it goes against Jews/Israel if Islam spreads into European & starts influencing Europe? c) Centuries old Jewish populations in Europe are now suffering because of Muslim immigration?

However CZ has, on this anti-islam in Europe blog, put the Jews into the same equation?

To clarify my viewpoint, I personally would look at the EU ... who is behind it & why ... & this may sound like a conspiracy theory but I recommend an interesting, free online resource: The Nazi Roots of the ‘Brussels EU’ ... http://www.relay-of-life.org/nazi-roots/

Imo it is this organisation that is hell-bent on destructing European culture with a combination of big corporations/industry's interests and socialists/marxists that want to destroy nation states and their individual cultures. They have successfully by-passed the democratic system. Well, it's worth a read and sounds a bit 'out-there' until imo read arguments and 'evidence' have been read.

Anyway, that's the best 'conspiracy theory' I align with until someone can inform me of how and why 0.2% of the world's population is successfully destroying Europe?

Anonymous said...

wow, was there not just a post about the extremely anti-semitic jobbik party and its alliance with muslims? do european anti-zionists (aka the vast majority of europeans) not side with palestinians openly? is there any secret of the love affair between nazism and islam? look in the mirror.


also this article appears to assert that national SOCIALISM, a regime which cooperated with communist dictators and had an openly socialist agenda was somehow a response to real (or more likely imagined) jewish bolshevism. it has also been stated that allowing nazi islamofascists to take over is a response to the original nazism. europeans don't even need enemies, their crazy mind is enough to destroy them.

Cheradenine Zakalwe said...

Paul Wilkinson, these points have all been discussed before. I strongly suggest you read Kevin McDonald's book Culture of Critique. See my discussion of it here. Also see my post about the origins of the term Islamophobia here. Read a discussion about the origins of multiculturalism and immigrationism in Sweden here.

To summarise, the argument essentially is that Jews, because they are genetically and culturally estranged from the European societies in which they live, lack the same sense of empathy for European traditions and people that Europeans themselves feel. They have therefore disproportionately tended to embrace ideologies and political movements that would radically transform Europe, including Communism and multiculturalism/immigrationism.

Insofar as there is an element of rational calculation in it, it lies in their fear of ethnic majorities mobilising against them. Jews have probably been more secure in the USA than in any other country. It is easy to see how they might conclude that they are safer in countries where "everyone is a minority". They have also lobbied for anti-democratic free speech restrictions, constitutionalist "human rights" systems and special protections for minorities. All of these have favoured the islamisation of the west. So it is not so much that Jews consciously intend to bring about the islamisation of the western world. Rather, this is a secondary unintended effect of other policies they did support.

Matamoros said...

You could also have mentioned the Muslim concept of Taqqiya and the Jewish of Kol Nidre. Very similar in terms of resulting behavior.

Anonymous said...

Jews are deceitful, evil and want nothing but the subjugation of all Gentiles. Why any European/Christian people view them as some sort of ally still baffles me.

Anyway, let's respond to some of the comments made by them and their apologists above:

"Do Jews stone adulterers?" - Remind me who Jesus was addressing when he said 'he without sin casts the first stone'? Just because it isn't enforced in Israel, there is theological Jewish law akin to Islamic law. This will be the law of the land when their messiah returns.

"Have Jews failed to make reforms to their religion?" - So have 'moderate Muslims'. You are clearly not aware that most of these 'secular' or 'reformist' Jews are not such ideologically. They act as such to present a respectable face to Judaism so they can assimilate into our societies.

"Muslims have a strange tendency to blow up in the middle of the street while Jews do not." - They don't really need to when they can use American supplied F-15s instead.

"PS - Guess what? many of us Jews don't even eat Kosher, and enjoy pork every now and then..." - That's me convinced...

"I am pro-Israel & the Jewish people in general - they are surrounded by hostile countries that want to destroy them." - That is the concern of the Gentile, how?

"Anyway, that's the best 'conspiracy theory' I align with until someone can inform me of how and why 0.2% of the world's population is successfully destroying Europe?" - I take it they only control 0.2% of the world's wealth too?

Zaba said...

Negative post.
Run out of 'better' material?

A Jew.

dovanuvagis said...

Jews are just judaist arabs.

Anonymous said...

@17:34
1) You have to prove that Jesus even existed before that point has any relevance.
2) Really? I thought organized religion just naturally doesn't work for me. How much do you charge for these sessions, I am learning so much. I also wasn't aware that I present myself as either respectable or Judaic.
3) I agree completely, it was so cool of the US to finally put all the Palestinians in Jordan
where they belong
4) whatever
5) Once again I agree completely. Resisting Islamic Supremacism doesn't seem to be that big of a concern for "gentiles".

Anonymous said...

Fascinating arguement - regardless of which side of the coin you pick. It is probably more interesting to compare Muslims and Jew to Europeans and Christians. I believe that Christianity is strongly influenced by Buddhism - go have a look and that Europeans evolved within reliant social groups that made us think of the collective good of the groups we live in. We "tend" to work to a greater good, in comparison to self centred individual motivations of non Christian, non Europeans. The reason Christianity was so easily adopted by Europeans and lasted so long was that it sits well with our social mindedness.

Paul Wilkinson said...

"I am pro-Israel & the Jewish people in general - they are surrounded by hostile countries that want to destroy them.".

"That is the concern of the Gentile, how?".

Firstly, I must apologise. I mistakenly thought this blog (well it used to be) was about how Muslims are destroying Europe's culture. I missed the announcement of changing into being anti-Jewish/Israel/Zionist as well - would help if a more appropriate title for the blog incorparated this from now on? Many, if not the majority of counter-jihadists are pro-Israel & pro-Jewish - certainly in the UK anyway.

Well to answer your question, very briefly, please look at the list of nobel peace prize winners http://www.masada2000.org/nobel.html there is a major difference between Muslims & Jews and their contributions. Look at the MidEast for example, if Israel was destroyed it would create even more (yes, that is possible!) turmoil in the region, more bloodshed (Christians& other minorities would suffer too) - which then affects Europe, thru refugees. Our society - ask Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, Pam Geller, Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage, etc - is based on Judeo-Christian values - and you want Muslims to destroy Israel? Sure we've had religious conflict in the past, as throughout Christian Europe as well, but that's a chapter of history now. The common enemy as far as I'm concerned is Islam? But now you're blog has re-defined its stance? Christianity & Judaism share the values of the Ten Commandments - we should stand together. Should we not?

"Anyway, that's the best 'conspiracy theory' I align with until someone can inform me of how and why 0.2% of the world's population is successfully destroying Europe?"

"I take it they only control 0.2% of the world's wealth too?"

The Jews probably do 'control' more than 0.2% of the world's wealth & it shows they have performed well above their level, does it not? Or would you rather have 22% of the world's population i.e. Muslims contributing less than <5% of the global GDP every year, & spending 1% of their GDP on research (compared to 5% in the UK). Not to mention global terrorism.

To be honest I cannot understand how an anti-Islam blog is now ranting against Judaism/Israel? How did that happen? It's an Islamist's dream if they read this!!! About one third of the Qur'an is about the Jews ... nearly as much as this blog these days :/

I'm still no wiser to the claim that Jews are to blame for Muslims are flooding Europe? - to be honest, I'm no longer interested in this answer (if one arrives, or any abuse from anyone), b/c I won't be checking the comments or indeed, this blog again. Ever. Goodbye.

Anonymous said...

was Jesus semitic?

Eugene said...

Thank you for a most illogical post. Most of your comparisons fall into the catagory of "murders and victims are similar because they both own knives." Never mind that one used his knife to stab someone and the other used his to butter his toast.

Paul Wilkinson said...

Cheradenine Zakalwe: Your comment was not on my screen when I posted, so none of my previous post was in reply to yourself.

Thanks for the reply, but your blog is no longer on my radar after over three years. That's a shame because I used to appreciate the islam-related stuff.

I identify Islam as the enemy to Western/European culture - not for example 0.5% of British population being Jewish & who share the same core values as I mentioned above.

Cheradenine Zakalwe said...

You should ask yourself why you are so resistant to the presentation of factual evidence that conflicts with your worldview. The psychological process you are going through is exactly the same process establishment politicians and journalists go through when you try and present factual evidence about the damaging effects of Islam. Engage in a careful process of introspection, analyse your feelings, and I think you will find that at the root of your reaction is fear.

Anonymous said...

Greetings to you dear modern and secular jew.
This has become a paranoic neo-nazi blog,so it must be ignored in the future.
The nazi movement has not been a reaction to the bolsheviks,but a reaction to the English and France victories over Germany in the WW I. Stalin,ironically,was an antisemitic. The semitic nations also,started with the civilization in Egypt and Mesopotamia and the latin alphabet has phoenician r
The jews are now democratic,altruistic and secular. They rejected the theocracy,but even if they would become religious fanatiks and haters,they would of be more than a 100 times lesser threat than the muslims,since their population is a 100 times less.
Furthermore,the Christian Mormons have similar religious dogma,but they have accepted the modern law,just like the jews.

Anonymous said...

The post about how 80% of jews oppose islamic immigration shows that there is some degree of striving for the objective truth going on here, however the understanding so far is self evidently subjective and demonstrably delusional.

In a society where all academics, all UN officials, and everyone inbetween declares themself "anti-zionist" which is tautological for "anti-jewish", it is crazy to imply that learning "the truth" about what terrible people jews are is some kind of edgy revelation when it is clearly the status quo.

Anonymous said...

thanks brothers, both Jews and non-Jews, for defending the truth.

if that is Counterjihad, then it is hyena's Counterjihad.
the marginal case.
...

Cheradenine Zakalwe said...

@Matamoros

"Both developed moral codes that permit the use of deception against members of their out-group."

Anonymous said...

Both originate with Semitic peoples in the Middle East
Most European Jews (due to 2000 years of Diaspora) carry the genes of most European folks. That makes them different in their appearance and mental skills.
Both eschew pork.
True. Religious Jews are strict and secular Jews are not. The Jews are conscious about the need of privacy and do not engage themselves in the life of the ones who choose for a free life. Islam does not tolerate personal freedom.
Both practise the genital mutilation of children.
True.
Both developed a moral code based on an in-group/out-group concept, with members of the out-group being portrayed as impure.
The moral code of European Jews is based on their relationship with the locals. In nice countries with tolerant population (The Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden etc.) the Jews did not keep to themselves; even before WWII. Inter marriages were in a country like Denmark normal. In The Netherlands it was less. Intermarriage was not popular by Catholics and Protestants.
Both have strong cultural sanctions against marriage to members of the out-group
Difference: Muslims use to murder women and girls who have relationship with men belonging to other religious group. Jews had banned (religious Jews still do) the ones who choose partners from different ethnic and religious group.
Both see contemporary and historical events through the prism of a victimhood
narrative, in which each is the victim of other people’s wrong-doing.
Jews were victims, for more than two millennia, of hostility due to difference in religion. They learned to live with it. They know the world is based on Darwinistic rules and they had learned to coop with it. The Muslims were not victims, but they love to be ones.
Both display an astonishingly strong sense of empathy with other members of their in-group living elsewhere in the world…etc.
None of the groups have empathy with members of their in-group. Muslims are not helping other Muslims. See the refugees in Syria. How much money has been donated by rich Arab countries to enlighten the suffering in the camps?
Due to hostility from the outside world Jews had, in former centuries, strong ties in their own community. It was a need and not based on natural empathy and affection to each other. If their was some empathy – especially by the American Jews - more young Jewish people could be rescued in Europe of the ‘30 by helping them on illegal immigration to mandatory Palestine.
Both falsify history to claim that European civilisation’s ascent to global dominance would have been impossible without them….etc. .
The Muslims in general do. They base their idea’s on the period around the end of the first millennium. However, their ‘Golden period of culture has it’s fundaments on much older cultures like the Persian, Greek, Roman and knowledge from India (like mathematics).
As for the Jews: Some of them do, some (the more cultural) don’t. Jews with more developed cultural background know that their level of cultural development hang strongly on the level of their general surroundings. For example Albert Einstein was born and raised in Germany and not in Jemen or Morocco.
Both claim that anyone who criticises their conduct must be motivated
by irrational, pathological hatreds: Islamophobia and anti-semitism.
The Muslims cannot bear any criticism. They are not willing to see their exorbitant behaviour against European folks who are giving them shelter (as refugees) in a high developed countries. See what is happening in Sweden and Norway. Can you imagine the Hungarian Jews who were rescued by Raul Walenberg (WWII) behaving themselves in Sweden the way Muslims are behaving in Rosengård? Or the Danish Jews who got shelter in Sweden in 1943, behave themselves like the horny Baboons from Africa and the Middle East

Ivan said...

The problem with having Jews lead the counter-jihad movement is that ultimately they will let you down when it comes into conflict with some principle or other of theirs. A case in point is Israel. A cost-benefit analysis will show that the lopsided support given to it, works to the detriment of the West, in as much as, concessions extracted on behalf of it, has to be paid for by other means. This includes supporting regimes that have problems hanging on to power and the tolerance of Islamic dawa in the West. Today the Israelis have an alliance of convenience with the Saudis with the aim of containing the Iranians. Thus we have to pretend that the Saudis, the foremost sponsor of terrorism and Islamic supremacism in the world are somehow a force for stability and peace. Another particularly tasteless example that I can think of is how the Israelis used to carry water for the Turks, when it came to the Armenian genocide. Jewish outfits in various countries were inveigled to support the Turkish case. Now either the Armenian genocide was a just spontaneous sanguinary event in a bloody war, or was conducted with planned thoroughness by the Turks. What it cannot be is a kind of political football for the Jews to modulate the behaviour of the Turks.

What we find generally is that support of the Jewish slant on history which is now widespread, inevitably leads to the diminution of truth. As Cheradenine has pointed much of the Fascism in Europe was driven by fear of Communism whose ablest proponents were Jews. But this does not suit the current narrative. The lack of honesty in these matters inevitably lead to apathy and frustration.

Anonymous said...

Correct. By far, most Jews are not religious at all. This is part of what I meant by going too far with K McDonald. The whole in-group/out-group theory was based on a highly religious community of Jews who work collectively for their own interests and exclude out-groups not belonging to their religious group.

The point should be that a high proportion of Jews are Leftists in the same way that many Gentile whites are. I can't stand either group!

No one has nor can prove any Jewish conspiracy to destroy the West. Where McDonald and his followers go off the road is in trying to conclude motives for Jewish Leftism. They say NOTHING for Gentile Leftism. They ignore it. Fools!

Pam M said...

Paul Wilkinson is not the only reader to be concerned by the increasingly anti-Semitic tone of what used to be a counter-jihadist blog. When I see Jewish terrorists blowing up commuters on the Underground, or massacring them in shopping malls, Jewish gangs preying on and raping young girls, and Jews calling for Judaic law to be imposed on everyone, and when the demographics tell me that Jews will be a majority in Europe in a few decades, then I shall be equally as concerned about Judaism as I am about Islam. Until that happens I for one intend to stay focused on the real enemy we face; Islam and its fanatical acolytes.

If you wish to turn this into an anti-Semitic blog then that is your right, but I for one will not come with you.

houdini said...

"The problem with having Jews lead the counter-jihad movement is that ultimately they will let you down when it comes into conflict with some principle or other of theirs. A case in point is Israel. A cost-benefit analysis will show that the lopsided support given to it, works to the detriment of the West, in as much as, concessions extracted on behalf of it, has to be paid for by other means."

Supporting free speech, does not include a right to spewing nonsense. The garbage bin for you.

isntlam said...

""Do Jews stone adulterers?" - Remind me who Jesus was addressing when he said 'he without sin casts the first stone'? Just because it isn't enforced in Israel, there is theological Jewish law akin to Islamic law."

LOL. That was quite a while ago.

Anonymous said...

Spot on Pam M. The above article makes me wonder if the domain was up for grabs or perhaps the blog has been hacked. Why are some people so blinded to the great good the Jewish community has contributed to all of mankind. Science and more specifically medicine for example and there are many others. I'm scratching my head to think of anything the Islamic world has given mankind other than invasion, conquest, pillage, rape, terror and slaughter. Anyone?

Ivan said...

Exactly houdini, whatever your provenance, you remark illustrate perfectly why its impossible to have a cool rational discussion whenever Jewish interests are involved.

mementoil said...

The creepiest thing about CZ, is the way he keeps claiming that all he is doing is "inspecting factual evidence", while he is obviously cherry picking and ignoring any facts that doesn't suit his presupposed thesis.

He overlooks the huge contribution the Jewish people has made to the western culture, the fact that most Jews nowadays are secular, and do not share the ancient religious notions that he mentions, that Jews have been able to create, in the midst of a very hostile environment, a modern and thriving nation-state.

He fails to ask himself - if Islam and Judaism are so similar, how come they are at such odds with each other? The answer to this is of course that modern Judaism values life above all else, while modern Islam values only death.

Again I say - if CZ has any intellectual integrity, let him write another post, titled "The differences between Jews and Muslims". Isn't that what intellectuals do? Try to challenge their own thesis in order to test it's validity?

Anonymous said...

Whatever huge contribution Jews may have made to the Western culture, they were quick to reverse all that good and destroy it by creating communism (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky & co. - all Jews) and multiculturalism (Adorno, Marcuse & co. - all Jews).

Muslims destroy physically with bombs, Jews destroy mentally with ideologies and intellectuals. Two sides of the same coin.

Anonymous said...

Jews are the CORE PROPAGATORS of multiculturalism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

Anonymous said...

Lenin was not Jewish. Marx was of jewish background but was judeophobe and un(anti)religious. The problem with the people you mention, Anon 13/11 08:01, was that they were communists not that they were in any sense Jewish.

I fear, as I am a sort of Christian, that communism can more arguably be classified as a Christian heresy than as a Jewish plot: alas so can Islam.

Conundrum for you, - both leftists, who wish to disparage and damage western civilisation,- and CZ, say that hostility to Islam and Nazi hostility to the Jews are the same. Does that mean CZ wishes to disparage and damage western civilisation ?

CZ wrote in an earlier post that the modern obsession with the crimes of Nazis has severely damaged European will to resist replacement-level immigration. This is true. However the solution is not to embrace your inner Nazi but to draw real distinctions and to feel proper horror at the crimes of our sometime ally. And those crimes should be as examined and discussed and taught as the Shoah.

In yet another post CZ wrote that near eastern monotheisms were always bad news for Europe, is this going to become Julian the apostate's blog 'bring back the old gods !'? Or has this site been hacked, or is CZ suffering from Koran-induced melancholia?

lmda

Anonymous said...

Ivan, I am not sure what you mean by "rationality". I happen to agree about the point regarding the Armenian genocide, but I am not sure what the rest means at all, except that by your "logic" it would be perfectly reasonable for someone to dismiss all Europeans on the basis of not being thrilled about some of CZ's comments.

It is also not seeming logical that some on this site suggest that genocide is reasonable on the basis of some members of an ethnic group supporting Communism, ignoring the fact that many members of their own ethnic group supported Communism, and then turning around and saying that because some of its members succeed at capitalism, is a reasonable reason to disparage a whole ethnic group.

Sorry if I am making straw men arguments, perhaps the European standard of discourse is just beyond my level.

Anonymous said...

I would ask my Jewish friends to get over their paralyzing fear of any discussion of race. The colonisation now underway of not only Europe but virtually every Western nation has very definite racial aspects to it. Racially transforming Western nations will have dramatic effects. We are seeing this now in slow motion.

Where I strongly disagree with the typical Counter-Jihad groups is that they absurdly argue that the only threat we are facing is Islamic Jihad and Sharia ideology. The Muslims themselves are no problem -- they welcome even more Muslim immigration so long as they are "moderates."

In other words, they fully support multiculturalism and racial diversity, tolerance and enrichment, and are trying to fight certain aspects of Islam from a Leftist position. An example of this is Mellanie Phillips who started off well but then immediately folded as soon as any mention of race was brought up in relation to preserving the West. Mellanie and her ilk are fighting a losing battle because it is their Leftist views that are responsible for the very situation that led to where we are now. The Corportists were all too willing to join them, drooling over a vast pool of cheap labor.

The simple truth is that nations rise and fall according to their racial homogeneity. No nation can survive racial dissolution. Sadly, for most Jews this is blasphemy. Insofar as this is true they cast themselves as enemies to preserving our homelands not because they are Jews but because they are Leftists. There are large numbers of white non-Jews in this category as well. These get a blind pass from McDonald in his careful weaving of conspiracy theories.

Anonymous said...

The important part is that people get to decide on/vote for an immigration policy that works for them. I personally enjoy a bit of diversity, but it is not for me to decide. Israel is one of the most if not the most diverse country in the world, but that doesn't impede any national unity. Historically empires flourished by allowing various people to maintain their customs yet still be a part of the empire. This does not work with Islam because it is a conquering ideology itself. "Horny baboons" (lol) with cheesy pick up lines don't seem like much compared to an organized campaign to rape every single female who is not wearing a burka. I do think it is unacceptable that citizens do not seem to have a say in their immigration policy however.

Roni said...


@ Anonymus 13 Nov. 13.10 H.
“I would ask my Jewish friends to get over their paralyzing fear of any discussion of race”. Well Jews are not paralyzed by fear of any discussion; not only on race. They do not belong specifically to a special race. They had not landed on earth by flying saucer from Sirius (Ancient Aliens) or Aldebaran. They are not grey or green. If they were, they had possessed UFO’s technology.
I have to admit, I cannot understand why they are so interesting as a topic of discussion? The Jews are a tiny folk of barely 12 million people (or less) worldwide. What is their importance? The discussion has to centre itself on one thing: Reality.
You write: “I strongly disagree with the typical Counter-Jihad groups who proclaim that the only threat we are facing is Islamic Jihad and Sharia ideology. The Muslims themselves are no problem”. Well reality points out that importing on big scale of multiculturalism and racial diversity are hazardous for the existence of every nation and every country. They destroy the social cohesion, bring apathy, disorder, criminality and corruption. Too much of the ‘Third World’ will turn a country into a safari-park: even the most technological and administrative advanced country. In short term it will affect the strength of the country and it’s people. Multiculturalism is for countries like the Netherlands and Belgium a physical threat. Please watch the next video and decide for yourself why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O_PN771Hfk

Matamoros said...

I find it interesting that after you posted this, barenakedislam has posted "Medieval Animal Torture in Gaza is a spectator sport" a major portion of which is the subhead "Kosher vs. Halal:" - http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/11/13/medieval-animal-torture-in-gaza-is-a-spectator-sport/

This fits in with your topic. Do you agree that there is really little or no difference between kosher and halal slaughter.

Both are barbaric. Kosher slaughter is only permitted as it is a "religious" practice, otherwise it would be outlawed.

Anonymous said...

Paul Wilkinson,
The national socialist (nazi) concept of a European Union was different to the one that came about after the war. They wanted European nations working together to sort out their problems, trade etc The Marxist multiculturalists who run the EU today are different to the core. They hate Europe and western civilisation. They get a lot of their anti western ideology from the Frankfurt School which was a majority Jewish Marxist thinktank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School_conspiracy_theory
If the modern version of the EU is some kind of covert Nazism which you imply then how do you explain the "holocaust denial" laws? Wouldn't they be happy to see the holocaust propaganda overturned?
www.ihr.org/news/irving022006.html

Anonymous said...

Matamoros, Kol Nidre is a prayer that supposedly nullifies promises between man and god in the past year. It is a controversial theological custom that not all Jews agree with. It has absolutely nothing to do with taqqiya, which basically means a Muslim can Lie to a non muslim (but probably to a Muslim as well) if its advantageous for him. I'm sure not all Muslims practice Taqqiya, but that's beside the point.

Hope i cleared up things.

Anonymous said...

The Frankfurt School clearly did not anticipate that something could be a million times worse than their experience of Western society. They probably genuinely believed they were making things better, not worse. And Islam is not terribly responsive to intellectual persuasion of any type.

Also, it is puzzling how Nazi's refuse to take credit for their accomplishments.

Anonymous said...

I picked some gems to respond to:

"You are clearly not aware that most of these 'secular' or 'reformist' Jews are not such ideologically" - I bet you met exactly 2 Jews in your entire life

"Anyway, that's the best 'conspiracy theory' I align with until someone can inform me of how and why 0.2% of the world's population is successfully destroying Europe?" - I take it they only control 0.2% of the world's wealth too?
Recent Israely polls show that young couples in israel require between 200-300 monthly salaries, to purchase a house. That's somewhere between 20-30 years of hard labour, money saving, no offshore vacations etc'. In comparison, In Europe and US it takes about 50 salaries. Heres to you, good sirs, I certainly don't enjoy all that great Jewish wealth.

"Jews are just judaist arabs." - Mizrahi Jews might be considered as such but there are far too many differences, for once, Mizrahi Jews don't have SJS - sudden Jihad Syndrom, you know, that phenomenon where you walk on the street, minding your own business, when suddenly...BOOM, a crazy muslim stabs you in the neck with a kitchen Knife...or Boom, a crazy feral muslim swings a Fire Axe cutting you in half....or Boom, an explosion, self combustibles, its not a myth after all.

regarding all that talk about how Jews tend to be communists, and how Jews tend to be multiculturalists, or how Jews tend to be filthy rich, and pork eschewing people and all that nonsense, you'll probably won't get it, but i'll try anyway:
People are first people. They have their dreams, and desires, and ideas, and plans,
and some of those people are sometimes....Jewish. Maybe more than a few, maybe its
a friend inviting a friend kind of thing, who knows. And yes, maybe if I'm a rich Jew i might help my jewish relatives and friends, to some degree, thats ok, everyone does that, to a higher degree, Thats neputizm and corruption, not ok, but also everyone still does that, Jews no more than others. Theres a famous saying: put 3 Jews in a room and you'll get 10 opinions. There's no grand Jewish plan to do anything, its each man for himselfs, free to pursue his or hers goals, i would of know otherwise no? all that in-group strong sense of empathy stuff? no? or maybe i'm just lying, yeah, that must be it.

blah, that was probably pointless because you antisemitic clowns are beyond repair.

Anonymous said...

judeus e mulçumanos ;ambos não são brancos e só troxorem desgraças para europa e demais pais brancos.fora com esta escorias das terras brancas

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