Tuesday, 8 October 2013

I'd say the problem with the EDL is that it is too politically correct. But Tommy Robinson thinks otherwise. What do you think?
The leader of the English Defence League, Tommy Robinson, has announced that he is leaving the organisation because it has become too extreme.

Robinson, who leads anti-Islam protests that have often turned violent and have been marked by racist chanting, said Islamist ideology should be challenged "not with violence but with better, democratic ideas".

Robinson, who set up the EDL in 2009 ostensibly to combat extreme Islamism in the UK, is facing criminal charges in relation to his activities with the group.

The 30-year-old from Luton, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, said: "I have been considering this move for a long time because I recognise that, though street demonstrations have brought us to this point, they are no longer productive. I acknowledge the dangers of far-right extremism and the ongoing need to counter Islamist ideology not with violence but with better, democratic ideas."

His decision was announced in a press release from the counter-extremism thinktank the Quilliam Foundation, which said it had "facilitated" Robinson's departure and that of the EDL co-founder. Kevin Carroll, also from Luton.

The intentions of the pair are likely to come under intense scrutiny given their past activities. Robinson and Carroll are due to stand trial on 16 October for allegedly attempting to defy a ban on marching to the scene of soldier Lee Rigby's killing, in June.

There was disbelief and scorn from both supporters and opponents of Robinson at the announcement. Some EDL supporters accused him of selling out but others praised him. Robinson tweeted on Tuesday: "The most difficult day of my life! I thank Edl supporters for their messages of support . For me this is a step forwards not backwards."

His personal assistant, Helen Gower, told IBTimes UK that Robinson and Carroll would be forming a new group that was not street-based.

Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, said he had met Robinson last week. "During that meeting he indicated that he was leaving the EDL because he couldn't control the extremist group, impact on his family and wider legal cases he faces," Shafiq said. "At no stage did he reject his previous disgusting attacks on Islam and Muslims or apologise to the British people for the millions wasted policing their protests."

Hope Not Hate, which campaigns against extremism, gave a cautious welcome to the news. Its director, Nick Lowles, said: "We celebrate Quilliam's efforts here, but only a complete renunciation of the violence and hatred the EDL leaders have promoted, and a turning away from the anti-Muslim rhetoric they have championed, will be enough for the many thousands who have suffered from the EDL's ugly actions over the past three years.

"EDL supporters have called for mosques to be burned, holy books to be destroyed, Muslims to be deported, they have cost us £10m in policing bills, brought disorder to our streets, and many, many more have been sentenced for acts of violence, gun possession, paedophilia and other crimes."

Matthew Feldman, of Teesside University's centre for fascist, anti-fascist and post-fascist studies, said Robinson and Carroll should be commended. He said it was difficult to predict what would happen to the group without them at the helm.

"The first test is Bradford [where a demonstration is planned on Saturday]. Is there going to be a small turnout? Does it formalise? Does it fold? Does it merge into something else? This might lead to different elements battling each other for the leadership," said Feldman.

Quilliam is better known for its work combating Islamic extremism. On its website it says it believes "a more self-critical approach must be adopted by Muslims", but it has faced criticism in the past for accusing peaceful Muslim groups of sharing the ideology of terrorists.

It described the move by Robinson and Carroll as "a huge success for community relations in the United Kingdom" and urged others, both in the EDL and Islamist groups, to follow in their footsteps and abandon extremist ideologies.

Quilliam's chair and co-founder, Maajid Nawaz, said: "We have been able to show that Britain stands together against extremism regardless of political views and hope to continue supporting Tommy and Kevin in their journey to counter Islamism and neo-Nazi extremism.".

Quilliam said the pair would reveal the full reasons for their departure at a press conference on Tuesday evening.
Source: Guardian

The Guardian article makes it sound like Robinson is going to start up some new non-street-based anti-Islam organisation. But the article in the Daily Mail suggests that his new organisation will not have an anti-Islam focus, but rather an anti-"far-right" focus.
English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson quits anti-Islamist group 'to counter far-right extremism'
Source: Daily Mail

So is he turning traitor and taking the state's shilling to become some whinging Hope Not Hate-type? If he does that, it's reasonable to ask whether he was a government operative all along. I'm not saying he was. In fact, I very much doubt it. Nonetheless, it at least deserves to be considered. How exactly did he earn his living anyway?
'I believe that the revolution needs to come from within the Islamic community and they need to stand up. And I believe this is a step forward not a step back.'

Oh so we Europeans just need to take a step back, let Muslims go on colonising our countries, cross our fingers and hope they'll become civilised. Great plan, Tommy. In fact, this isn't very different from what he was saying even when he was in the EDL.

While the rest of the Counterjihad blogs fawned over Tommy Robinson and the EDL, I repeatedly pointed out that nothing they had proposed would make any real difference to the problem. Proposing changes that would make a real difference would require the moral courage to confront establishment ideology; that moral courage is much rarer than physical courage; and there was never any sign that Tommy Robinson had it.

Note that he's already been getting (no doubt sympathetic) interviews on the BBC now that's he switched sides.
Speaking to Nicky Campbell on BBC Radio 5 live, he said his decision to leave the group was to be true to what he stands for.

How long can it be before he's writing comment pieces for the Guardian?

All of the EDL fanboys around the Counterjihad blog scene should be asking themselves critical questions tonight. But they've shown no sign of any such capacity for self-critique.

Of course it could be he was a genuine guy who was simply broken by the system. He may have been facing jail time after his upcoming trial. Perhaps this is just the corrosive effect of fear.

UPDATE: Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller endorse Tommy Robinson's decision, a good illustration of the folly of having the European resistance movement to Islam shaped by Americans with no real understanding of conditions in Europe and whose foremost criterion for endorsement seems to be whether its potential recipients say anything bad about Jews.

But wait. Hope Not Hate has a caveat.
There have been rumours throughout the day that the pair intend to set up a new anti-Islamist political movement devoid of the racism of the EDL. To us, this will just be EDL mark II.

We hope we will be proved wrong but our skeptism about Lennon and Carroll's real intentions is growing by the minute. Quilliam have secured a massive coup if this is genuine or they are unwittingly helping to set up a new far right party and in the process sanitised and mainstreamed anti-muslim hatred.
Source

Here is the video of his press conference.



Maajid Nawaz, formerly of hate group Hizb ut-Tahrir, now runs think-tank Quilliam, which was set up to ‘challenge extremism’.

Last night with an unfortunate choice of words, Mr Nawaz boasted of ‘decapitating’ the EDL.

He said: ‘What is commonly perceived as the UK’s largest anti-Muslim street movement – the EDL – is being decapitated.’
Source: Daily Mail




Isn't it amazing how much media coverage he has been able to get as soon as he "got his mind right"?

 

To be fair, he's still making some decent anti-Islam points, and he can now get them heard by a mainstream audience. This development may not be wholly negative. If the EDL could keep going with a new, less politically-correct leader, and a dhimmied-down Tommy Robinson could get mainstream media access to throw his half-punches (which are still better than no punches at all), it could all work out well for the anti-Islam cause. The question is: does the EDL have anyone in its ranks who can step up?


14 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is great news, about time this zionistlapdog went.. Now only G wilders, another zio controlled lapdog, they attempt to channel white anger is so obvious it wont work.
Time for etnhocentric right to take the lead.

Passer by said...

It is well known that many people in the so called far right movements are bankrolled by the secret services in order to "manage" these movements, and their job sometimes includes making provocations in order to discredit these groups.

"In 2001, the federal government, the Bundestag, and the Bundesrat jointly attempted to ban the NPD in a trial before the Federal Constitutional Court, the Bundesverfassungsgericht, the highest court in Germany with the exclusive power to ban parties if they are found to be "anti-constitutional". However, the case was thrown out in 2003 after it was discovered that a number of the NPD's inner circle were in fact undercover agents or informants of the German secret services, like the federal Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz. They include a former deputy chairman of the party and author of an anti-Semitic tract that formed a central part of the government's case. Since the government assemblies were unwilling to fully disclose their agents' identities and activities, the court found it impossible to decide which moves by the party were based on genuine party decisions and which were controlled by the secret services in an attempt to further the ban. “The party was, in part, responding to the government's dictates”, the court said. “The presence of the state at the leadership level makes influence on its aims and activities unavoidable”, it concluded."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany#The_2001.E2.80.932003_banning_attempt

Anonymous said...

First the Golden Dawn in Greece takes a hit, now the English Defense League. As much as I enjoy seeing a large rally, the future belongs to lone wolves acting separately.

Anonymous said...

"Tommy Robinson" was always a weak punk. Good riddance.

Anonymous said...

What was the EDL trying to achieve with their docile, mannerly rallies, anyhow? They certainly didn't address the threat posed by the presence of an ever-increasing muslim population. As anybody who is at least half-conscious should know, you cannot fight islam without fighting muslims. The ideology is islam and muslims are the ideology. They are joined at the hip, and you simply cannot address one without the other. Robinson thought he could discredit islam, but at the same time be friends with muslims. Ain't no way, Tommy boy!

ENGLISHMAN said...

The streets are the only place where we can win,this has always been true throughout the ages,the French and Russian revolutions would not have taken place if the people had sat at home asking their repressive governments to please stop kicking us in the arse, nicely.If we truly wish to redress the imbalance that has taken place in our political and social spheres,we must seize the power,for it is certain that the commie world order will not give it to us,especially when they have spent so much of OUR money on tazers, water cannon,sonic weapons and firearms,not to mention the suppression of our democratic RIGHT to demonstrate.Wether this man has sold out,personally I think he has had enough,is neither here or there,new parties must be formed which are not going to play the oppressors game,and they must be willing to use violence,for the frauds in power have no compunction against using violence upon us,as are the muslims,if the opposition to race replacement ,nationalists and others refuse to use the streets as our political arena,we might as well forget all about freedom,saving our countries for our people to live in peace in a civilised fashion,then we should follow robinson and join the commies.

Skeptisk ViKing said...

Ppl still fawning over Tommy need to retrospect over the body blow he has dealt to the "movement" with his parting statements. Tomorrow, even a better person at helm of Edl may struggle to undo this stereotyping. And anyways, a leader who puts all the onus (liability) of his activities on his followers whom he led throughout, and washes himself in 'Hammam' tells one exactly how great a leader Tommy was in the first place. Also noteworthy why QuilliamF didn't start with any of the far more violent Islamist groups-supposedly it's prime objective, rather than Edl.
The only good i draw out of this is a probable traction of Edl followers towards UKIP, which will at least be meaningful and representative

Anonymous said...

Now the end of the EDL is not the end of the world. Europe needs something far more substantive than "anti-islamists" to survive and get back on track.

A true english nationalist movement could come out of this, from the rubble of the EDL, and that would be a great gift. Robinson has in my view been very brave and I think he is for real in what he does, yet the time has come to move on from being "against islamism" to be for the survival of european peoples and against all foreign occupation of european lands.

Towards a future for european man!

Anonymous said...

The EDL are controlled opposition and have been from the get-go.

If you are a jew, a darkie or a fag the you are welcome to help them fight the big scary muslims.

Always focusing on the symptoms, not the cause.

There would be no mass influx of muslims or any other such filth if it was not for the jew strangle-hold on Britain.

Anonymous said...

>>whether its potential recipients say anything bad about Jews.

well, here I am, a Jew.
say something bad about me.
raise your credibility.
:)
...

Anonymous said...

>>whether its potential recipients say anything bad about Jews.

breaking news:
3 Israeli-American Jews won Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
(also cosmopolitain for sure).

is there anything bad about them?

wait for an article here, about Jewish mafia stealing inventions from gentiles.

Christian children we already ate.
and invented Capitalism
and Communism
and Cosmopolitanism
and Zionism

it is now time to talk about stealing ideas from White Scientists.
...

Anonymous said...

Nonsense:

He has cursed the Islamic faith, in his speeches he has incited against all Muslims because he has called the Qu'ran barbaric, Mosques as against British values and defamed prophet Muhammad.

This douche bag knows he has created Frankenstein and he is Dr Frankenstein and will burn with Frankenstein.

He still loves his monster but wants to keep supporting it from a distance.

When has he spoken up against Muslims harrassed in his Luton String Hold, farley hill, when coward caucasian yobs harass single Muslims girls or reserved Muslim families.

This guys is a fraud, he has enjoined hatred and malice, propaganda against Muslim creating a polarised Britain and now he does not want to go down for creating Frankenstein.

I remember the same Stephen Yaxley when he tried to re-create the infamous Luton Football Hooligan group and called it MIGs. His boys used to wear green jackets and shave their hands, he himself was ana ctive member in BNP.

It stems from Luton street culture where his family that supported the IRA throughout 70's and 80's, "funded" IRA cntrolled the criminal activities in Luton but as Asian youths got into these activities the Yaxley's were nobody's. He lived off his family's name but hated bieng a nobody nd was constanly fighitng asians in turf wars.

This drove hom to racism, far - right extemism.

His family and the Irish used to collect funds for the IRA in the 80's in the infamous Luton golden triangle and no Englishman could drink their without feeling un comfortable. They used to bring a white bucket around where "they" all put money in to fund the IRA.

This guys loves street culture and has always wanted to be a hero and when he was a nobody used extremism MIGS, BNP but the new generation of asian were not shy and timid so he jumped on the whole EDL hijacking the causal united movement. He hijacked the xenophobic movement of Paul Ray a twisted guy with serious issues calling for street war against Pakistanis. They used propaganda and the Afghan war / WoT to galvanise momentum.

Paul Ray's grievance with Asians was also gang related he got pushed out and beaten up by Asian gangs in the Houghton Regis area of Luton and Dunstable and was a nobody, no job, no hope and began posting xenophobic nonsense and total lies on his blog LIONHEART against Luton Muslims namely Pakistanis.

This gained momentum by othe far right groups and had Zionist funding from out fo the country and they capitalised on the soldiers march to create a movement. At this point Stephen Yaxley still a nobody wanting to be somebody saw this and capitalised on it by pushing the schizo Paul Ray out.

Thise who know the history of these men and how they came about and their desire to be somebody, know very well they are absolutel liars, cowards and stand for s....h.....i....x!.

initially Yaxley and Kevin made 100,000's on EDL memoroabilia, t-shirts, hoodies etc.

Do not beleive this man,

Anonymous said...

hopefully he hasn't converted. here's a picture of some moderate members of the religion of peace demonstrating Allah's peaceful, loving wrath

https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/388695276250484736/photo/1

Anonymous said...

Quilliam is islamist plot.

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