Tuesday, 18 September 2012
Musn't mock

FEARS that a wave of anger in the Islamic world could spread to Europe mounted as it emerged a French magazine was planning to publish cartoons caricaturing the Prophet Mohammed.

Satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo confirmed that its latest edition contains several cartoons featuring Mohammed that the publication's editor said would "shock those who will want to be shocked."

The magazine is due to hit the streets today against a background of protests across the Islamic world over a crude US-made film that mocks Mohammed and portrays Muslims as gratuitously violent.

At least 30 people have died so far in demonstrations held in over 20 countries.
Charlie Hebdo is no stranger to controversy over its handling of the issues relating to Islam.

Last year it published an edition "guest-edited" by the Prophet Mohammed that it called Sharia Hebdo. The magazine's offices in Paris were subsequently fire-bombed in what was widely seen as a reaction by Islamists.

Charlie Hebdo's latest move was greeted with immediate calls from political and religious leaders for the media to act responsibly and avoid inflaming the current situation.

Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault issued a statement expressing his "disapproval of all excesses."

The magazine's editor, originally a cartoonist who uses the name Charb, denied he was being deliberately provocative at a delicate time.

"The freedom of the press, is that a provocation?" he said. "I'm not asking strict Muslims to read Charlie Hebdo, just like I wouldn't go to a mosque to listen to speeches that go against everything I believe."

Dalil Boubakeur, the senior cleric at Paris's biggest mosque, appealed for France's Muslims to remain calm.

"It is with astonishment, sadness and concern that I have learned that this publication is risking increasing the current outrage across the Muslim world," he said.

"I would appeal to them not to pour oil on the fire."

Even before news of Charlie Hebdo's plans emerged, France's large Muslim community was being urged to take to the streets in defiance of an official ban on demonstrations over the controversial film.

Messages on Twitter and social networking sites called for demonstrations to be held Saturday in Paris, Marseille and other major cities, a week after police in the capital arrested 150 people for taking part in a rowdy protest near the US embassy.
Most messages read "Don't touch my Prophet", a variation of the French anti-racism slogan "Don't Touch my Mate" popular in the 1980s.

Interior Minister Manuel Valls said Sunday the authorities would not permit any more demonstrations against the film, saying Saturday's protest had been orchestrated by groups that "advocate radical Islam".

France is home to Western Europe's largest Islamic community, with at least four million Muslims in the country.
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And my buttocks, you like them, my buttocks?

The president of the French Council of the Muslim Religion, Mohammed Moussaoui, has learned with "deep consternation" of the publication on Wednesday of "drawings insulting to the prophet of Islam" by the weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo.

In a communiqué, the CFCM condemns "with the greatest vigour this new Islamophobic act" and "launches an urgent appeal to the Muslims of France not to yield to the provocation".

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UPDATES:
France to close 20 embassies Friday, fearing cartoon backlash
France will close embassies in 20 countries on Friday, fearing a backlash from cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published Wednesday by French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo, the foreign ministry has announced.
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"Are you sure Mohammed had sex with a pig's head?" "I don't have enough cash to pay for a nine-year-old whore, man!"

An NGO based in Paris called the "Syrian Association for Liberty" has filed a complaint against Charlie Hebdo, accusing it of "pouring oil on the flames by disseminating an image of the prophet Mohammed", according to the text of this complaint. The complainants accuse the weekly of "public provocation to national, racial or religious discrimination, hatred or violence" or "public racial, religious defamation".

According to Le Figaro, the Syrian Association for Liberty describes itself as "an NGO for humanitarian aid to the Syrian people".
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With my new iPhone 5 with 4" screen you can see clearly that they've insulted the prophet!


Riots in the Arab world: a risk for the Obama candidacy? "Yes we crame" [Yes we burn]

The Arab world disgusted by a film on the prophet Mohammed - "No, that's the 8 o'clock news"


Problem teenager - He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, he doesn't take drugs, he doesn't fuck - "My son is a Salafist!!!"


Riots in the Arab countries ... after publication of the photos of Madame Mohammed


Salafist stupidity - Any pretext is good! - Another insulting representation of our prophet!


Stop kidding around about Mohammed! "I'm a Jew!"


Mohammed: a star is born!

The 20th century was Sartre or Aron - The 21st Century will be head of idiot (Bible) or head of dick (Koran)

Mohammed reduces unemployment among young people - Cinema critic



A film about Islam triggers the rage of the fundamentalists - "Show us an intelligent film and we start the 3rd World War!"



Images from: Bivouac-ID

124 comments:

Anonymous said...

Expect a carbaque or two, at least.
Paris Claims

Anne said...

I'm very happy to see someone in France standing up for free speech.

reza said...

Free speech?????!!!!
lets see what will happen. dont be angry from consequences.......they will pay the price

Anonymous said...

BUENIIISSSIIIMMMOOOO!!!!

Anonymous said...

i think in my own modest way, free speech must not insult any religion. it is just very hard to let go something that you really hold dear.

Anonymous said...

ALLAH O AKBAR,ALLAH IS GREAT AND MUHAMMAD SAW IS OUR GUIDE,JUST WAIT AND YOU ALL (ANTI iSLAM) WILL SOON BARE WITNESS OF ALLAH'S ANGER.MY GUARANTEE TO YOU ALL IT WILL TAKE NOT TOO MUCH TIME.

Anonymous said...

Islam is for Pedophiles

Anonymous said...

"ALLAH O AKBAR,ALLAH IS GREAT AND MUHAMMAD SAW IS OUR GUIDE,JUST WAIT AND YOU ALL (ANTI iSLAM) WILL SOON BARE WITNESS OF ALLAH'S ANGER.MY GUARANTEE TO YOU ALL IT WILL TAKE NOT TOO MUCH TIME."'

Mad much?

Anonymous said...

A religion that has been spread by "force of the sword" from its very beginning and in its fundamental textbook, the Khoran, clearly calls for "killing all non-believers" (see Sura 7!), dehumanizes women to 2nd class and so on - cannot possibly be respected as HUMAN! The ongoing violence and thread of those furious islamic fundamentalists - let alone all their mad suicide bombers - is actually best proof of my point - right?

Anonymous said...

World War 1 had the bombing of Arch Duke Ferdinand, World War 2 had the Nazi invasion of Poland, World War 3 has some shit cartoons...

Anonymous said...

when times come where punishment from Allah for all those who approved this anti islam move by posting comment please do let me know again and dont feel shy at that time,because its good to share experience for verily Allah will make you know the reason of the punishment.

Anonymous said...

where are all the modern moslems/islamists? Please support to the freedom of speech and show distance to those radical minority. A cartoon or a video etc... may be the cause but it is not the source of this massive wave of hate.

I wish Germany would react like France. Not spending time on discussing about indexing the video, cartoons etc or not. There are enough christian fooling cartoons and movies like "Life of Brian" as well.

Take it eazy

Anonymous said...

thats the difference between your religion and my religion,try to know your religion well and how to respect it otherwise its no matter following it.to you your religion and to me my religion.if for your religion its good to make foolcartoons,thats speaks for everything...

Anonymous said...

Nobody forces anybody to read this paper. If you like, read it. If not, don't.

But please, never use violence! Can anybody please tell me how to justify what happend to the US embassador Chris Stevens? He had been raped and than killed. What a human beeing can do so?

Anonymous said...

Finally the french got some balls, FREE SPEECH!!!

Anonymous said...

'"Can anybody please tell me how to justify what happend to the US embassador Chris Stevens? He had been raped and than killed. What a human beeing can do so?"

Well I'm willing to bet it wasn't a Christian!

Anonymous said...

Any religion spread by fear, persecution and punishment of free thoughts and without respect for others ideals will fail miserably. Especially when its foundation is based on lies, deceit and a self-proclaimed "prophet" whose appearance is not mentioned or predicted in any legitimate religious text.

This "religion" is nothing but a cult of the ignorant and other people who see the fallacy of its foundation, but are too dishonest or scared to admit it.

Anonymous said...

Ofcourse nobody has a right to just go out there and start burning property and killing people. Protest shall be made but with an objective to educate people about Islam and Prophet Mohammad SAW. Almost nobody can claim to PROTECT the beloved Prophet's "Dignity" as it is far far above anyone and anything in the world. But protests shall be made but not in a way that spreads hatred among nonmuslims and portrays a wrong picture of Islam and Prophet Muhammad SAW and Islam's teachings.

Somebody above mentioned that Holy Quran mentions Killing of Nonbelievers. You have to see context of the whole Surah to understand what it means. And secondly, Holy Quran mentions lot of positives of life and science has repeatedly proven lot of claims and teachings of Holy Quran. So you shall just not look at the
"killing" part of Holy Quran and ALSO other beautiful things Quran talks about. Killing or dying a reality of life otherwise no country will have any weapons etc. and there would have been no wars in the world which almost every country in the world has gone through. So any book talking about principles of life and applying on whole humanity has to talk about all the emotions of love as well as hate, life as well as death, conciliation as well as killing/war etc. So you have to look at both sides.

Eventually, if there is no right to anyone to go out and kill/burn anyone. There is no right of anyone to just go out and offend anyone's father, mother or relative and in this case Prophet or Religion. I think both sides need to have patience and a better way of communicating things there is disagreement upon rather than hurting someone and then the other party hurting back.

Anonymous said...

oh yeah I hear they want to destroy Christian churches in the Middle East, as per suggestion of the Guardian of the HOly SItes, that Saudi twat, and why not insult Islam if you can insult other religions? are they more prone to depression somehow? is this still about 'MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD'? as if the Reformation never happened? I don't think there will be much Reformation in Islam tbh, maybe by way of Sunni/Shia slaughter, those who kill more will win, what you got is SAUDI vs IRAN, two cesspits of freedom of speech sponsoring their respective reactionary narratives, and why do the French, or any non-Muslims have to put up with it? it's a laugh..

Anonymous said...

This will put any French person (or anyone remotely resembling a French national, or anyone speaking French, or anyone seen even distantly connected to anything French, e.g. eating a baguette) in Islamic countries at grave risk of losing their lives. Muslims are normal, easygoing and reasonable people - until it comes to religion. Then all bets are off, and even children become fair targets to hate mobs chanting anti-Western slogans. Then after the orgy of destruction (which sometimes includes mass-murder) they go home and eat food that has probably come from Western aid/donations.
Don't insult Islam, it's not worth it. Just steer clear of them all, the different sects of Islam hate each other so much (e.g. Shia vs Sunni) that if left to their own devices, they'd all kill each other anyways..

Anonymous said...

Somebody above mentioned that Holy Quran mentions Killing of Nonbelievers. You have to see context of the whole Surah to understand what it means. And secondly, Holy Quran mentions lot of positives of life and science has repeatedly proven lot of claims and teachings of Holy Quran. So you shall just not look at the "killing" part of Holy Quran and ALSO other beautiful things Quran talks about.

ahaha hypocrisy at its best.

so tell me, all those Salafist/Wahabbi preachers, state sponsored in many cases, do they preach the 'beautiful things'? like chopping off heads of (presumed) thieves in Mali, destruction of Sufi shrines and tombs? etc etc, it's all about 'context' no?

Do 'moderate' Muslims go out and protest at the embassy of KSA, denouncing in their millions the excesses of fundamentalist lunatics? Do they? oh I thought not, but try tell them that to their faces, and suddenly you're an 'islampophobe', well I'm happy to oblige, grow a thicker skin, for it seems like you use your religion as a shield from reality.

Anonymous said...

You said it is freedom of expression in europe and america, but it is massacre and persecution for non-muslim in muslim countries.

When Black people attacked, you call it Racism
When Jewish attacked, you call it Anti Semitism
When Woman Attacked, you call it Gender Discrimination
When Homosexuality attacked, you call it Intolerence
When your country attacked, you call it Terrorism
When Religious Sect attacked, you call it Hate Speech,
But when you attacked what others belief and called their "Beloved Prophet" and let non muslims suffers persecution or even killed because of what you call "humor", you call it "Freedom of Expression".
My God..., an innocent cat even got crucify in africa as a protest of this...

Anonymous said...

@19 September 2012 13:54


try and grasp the difference between physical attacks and expression of thought? Because there were no attacks on Jews in the Middle east, because women don't get stoned to death for 'adultery' or put to prison for driving a car, because homosexuals can hold hands in public, because all the religious sects live in harmony and there is no sectarian violence in the MENA, everyone is protected under the law, and there is no racism in shape of 'alien' migrant workers denied their passports and treated as animals, and because jamming a plane into a skyscreaper is the same as thinking aloud????

so 'beloved prophet', what is this? a natural condition? how is your 'beloved prophet' above the law? try looking into the mirror before you go moaning, seems like an interesting case of Stockholm syndrome, but please do understand that you can't shut my imagination, and my right to express it in any shape or form that poses NO PHYSICAL THREAT, whatsoever, just because your imaginary friend, aka 'beloved prophet' tells you otherwise, doesn't mean I can't think of anything I want to, and I can share my ideas as I please, remember, they burned people for suggesting that the Earth is round, look at how far you've got.

Anonymous said...

"Pakistani officials say they have opened an investigation into a businessman who has been accused of blasphemy after refusing to join protests over an anti-Islam video and allegedly trying to convince others also not to take part."

"Blasphemy is punishable by life in prison or death in Pakistan."

http://is.gd/5QoKwv

LOL talk about 'context' and 'beautiful things'.

Anonymous said...

Sometimes, danger lurks in George Gollin's pants.

Anonymous said...

Just stay out of Italy, wankers.

Anonymous said...

DP111 wrote..

Islam is not fit for the 21st century.

I think what we are seeing is the death throes of this evil totalitarian ideology.

Anonymous said...

DP111 wrote..

Quote: if the Reformation never happened

The Reformation was not about reforming Christianity but adhering to the original teachings of Jesus Christ.

Once Christianity had become established in Europe, power seeking politicians and war lords, saw an opportunity to exploit the faith, and make it a money earner. The Reformation did away with these corrupters of the faith and people. There was no attempt by Martin Luther to re-interpret or manufacture the teaching of Jesus.

In our own era, our benign liberal democracy, a construct of Christianity and Greek philosophy, has been infiltrated by Leftists/communists. They are now using their power base to destroy the West, by deeming any restriction of immigration as tantamount to racism. The same bunch also wish to see the destruction of Israel.

Anonymous said...

Freedom of speech/expression, yes. But where's the manners ?????
Amazing how ignorant people can be.

Anonymous said...

PS:

The reformation of Islam has already taken place. They have returned to the Koran, if that is, they had ever left it.

DP111

Anonymous said...

Hooray for Free Speech! Maybe Islam will actually have a Reformation and join the modern age.

Anonymous said...

The French HuffPo has a better quality picture of the cartoons on the back of Charlie Hebdo:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/778411/original.jpg

Anonymous said...

Someone should shit on a Koran and publish it as "ART". You know like the jar of piss with the cross in it that the american government funded.

Anonymous said...

they wanna live back in the Stone Age then let's bomb them back to the Stone Age...

Anonymous said...

personally I would like to see a picture published of a pile of shit with a turban on it and a beard with the koran lodged in one side and a suicide bomb on the other. the caption should read "The Truth"

Anonymous said...

HAVE MERCY EUROPE !!!

Anonymous said...

I shit on perverted Allah and in the all followers of the self appointed murderous psychopath Puppet MohoMad

Anonymous said...

lol... at all the tyrant islamist jerks. Grow up and laugh a little. Somethings are just simply funny.

Anonymous said...

Hey Muzzies! News Flash! Allah or God doesn't exist! get over it.

Anonymous said...

mohammed was the first terrorist of humanity.for ahmedinegad,osama binladen,yasser arafat,hassan nasrallah he was just a model.
the world should be a better place without islam...

Anonymous said...

Whether muhammad was a murderous psychopath or a messenger of God or a child molester or an altruist, nobody knows from their experience.All these muslims who are raising a ruckus are believers.A believer is a person is who invests trust in stories that were narrated to them .They have no way to verify the veracity/falsity of those stories.

But human life is reality and so is freedom of speech.Why do you want to kill people for a person who might/might not have existed 1500 years back? In one person's mind muhammed may be an angel and in other's mind he may be a pervert.What difference does it make?Let them have their own views. Why can't the muslims take humor lightly?

Anonymous said...

Good for you France! Finally a country(besides the US, as usual) who will stand up for what is right in the world. I think muslims worldwide need to takea hard look the freedom of speach and why it is important. Do they ever wonder why there are no muslim first world nations? They are prisoners of their own beliefs.

Anonymous said...

Islam is not a religion. It is a fascistic and hateful ideology. If islam would stop upressing women, the ideology would fall apart. It is hate which binds muslims together. Hate of wimmen and hate of other beliefs. Its a ideology for illitterate and backwords idiots.

Anonymous said...

Why not a cartoon with Moses getting a blowjob from Hillary Clinton while he rifles her purse for coins? In the background you could have a lot of sychophantic Christians clapping in admiration. That'd be pretty funny, too.

Anonymous said...

OR... how about cartoons and videos concerning the historical 4th century piece of papyrus- Historian decodes ancient papyrus that says Jesus had a wife.The papyrus fragment is in Coptic writing.Imagine all of the cartoons and videos the followers of Islam could create with that true piece of information! You might upset some of the Catholics and their pedophile Priests who vow celibacy because their Bible tells them Jesus never married!! Fight fire with fire.

Anonymous said...

All of you Americans posting ignorant comments on here concerning Islam and what Islam represents to you, need to stuff a sock in Mitt Romney's big Right Wing Christian mouth before you go around insulting and condemning others. Get a grip,and grow up EVERYONE.

Anonymous said...

Ah que j'ai bien aimé ces caricatures ! Elles dépeignent cette religion barbare à la perfection. Mort a tous les sales arabes !

Anonymous said...

Very well done! I have simply loved these cartoons. They depict this barbaric religion perfectly. Hopefully all the idiots who believe in that nasty pedophile and rapist of Mohammad and their sinister and retarded god, Allah will get to think about their own stupidity.

Anonymous said...

my kingdom for translations

Anonymous said...

to all those who are talking about FREE SPEECH and are in favour , i will be allowed then by the FREE SPEECH PRICIPLE to come to any of you in the street and say to you ... you fucking motherfucker, bastard , twat, my dick is cuter than your face, i wanna fuck your sister, and when im done im going to fuck your mother so hard while you will be there watching her moaning...she will be naked and asking me for more and i will be coming in her mouth while you are and your sister and your father all looking.......... how is that for free speech ... how will you be feeling ?? the point is not to sound filthy ..........the point is where are the limits of the freedom of CRAP ...surely your freedom stops when you tresspass into other peple freedom.

i cant do or say anything i like in the name of free CRAP... responsability it key here and stop playing with the fucking double standards.... when the kATE Middleton was caughts with her tits in the air.... the newspaper was deprived of the free speech by banning them to publih and render the pics..... loads of crap !!
speaking about freedom of speech and responsability..... this twat who took the decision to BEHAVE FREELY will have to assume the backlash of his actions!!

Anonymous said...

Awsome to see that some in France aren't cowards like most the media in Europe. Muslims make the mohamhead flood gates open with their stupid war against free speech. US media ABC,CNN,CBS,CNN all in the tank for muslims nd the muslim in the white house.

Anonymous said...

le french BALLS
BRAVO
reading muSSy replieas i can see theey would love to kill some one hahhhhhhh

Anonymous said...

Excellent. Drop fliers of the cartoons by the millions throughout the Middle East. Nasty filthy towel heads.

Anonymous said...

These filthy sand-niggers will have to get it through their thick heads that we do not give a FLYING FUCK about their stupid, backwards and barbaric god. If they don't like our cartoons, well too bad!

Anonymous said...

Who is against has to do ONE single thing : not reading !

We are in Christian Countries, so who don't respect pur laws and habits ONE solution : get out of our lands !

Anonymous said...

If the religion does not promote peace and grace. The religion is a false religion. And especially when bombing and killing are practice at all times. Isn't it a practice by evil! Islam if you love your God, why there is lack of promotion for wisdom to endure and. Promote peace and harmony.

Anonymous said...

The world is watching. Obviously, who's right who's wrong. The violence going on are only portraying some body are tricking others to do the damage and while the mastermind is having some good time right now at this moment. Waiting for the mastering results for this caos and fall out. Put on that thinking cap!

Anonymous said...

Mohamad married a six year old girl when he was in his 50's. Need anyone say more. This is supposed to be a holy pedophile. Muslims go read the the bible and then you will understand that the koran is truly "satanic versus" as one of your own called. Remember Salman Rushdie. Lucky for him, he has common sense, and know evil when he reads it.

Anonymous said...

Otherwise, Islam is such a shame to act so unrationally! No wonder been manupulated by evil and behave violently. I believe no God, but seeking for one and will not believe in Islam. God is real and powerful. God bless and help the poor and the insulted. Islam is behaving that their god is just a mere written word that create notion to its people to act babarically. People so shame your god!

Anonymous said...

Mohamad raided other countries, killed the husband or enslaved them, raped the women and their children, stole their money, and did all this in the name of God. SERIOUSLY!!!! and you brain washed muslims believe this garbage teachings of his. You would want a God who would allow that, you think God is hateful like this, use your brains for a second or two and you might see the light.

Anonymous said...

i hope more cartoons and movies come out, so this bastard of a religion gets exposed more and more, that its nothing more than pure EVIL, HATE, DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.

Anonymous said...

After much evident, Muslim allow child sex and multiple wive marriages. Many practice anal sex among males. Isn't these considered as immoral and even evil. Not pleasing to True God. But demons love it. Islam, you should promote these acts should cease and also the drugs trade within should be taken care off too.

Hikayat Urban said...

hey all of u, look at urself, what the matters with u all to say those things . what the muslims do to you. did the muslims harms you. no they dont. and what about this hates all about. why should you mocking others believers , and why only muslims were targeted , why not budhas, and talking abour free speech try to mocking others religious and see what are the believers reactions.
stop talking about Qoran and islam. how well do u know about it. the actions of the believers is not 100% from the religious teaching. the blames should be to the individual itself. not all muslims country are fighting, some are peacefull with others.
but if you think that all of the mocking will tarn the Prophet Muhammad . U are wrong, you can say whatever u want and the facts is that Muhammad is still intact as he were. go ahead continue do the stupidity . hahahahaha

Hamid said...

Islam - the brittle political/social/pseudo-religious ideology that produces millions of sad, humourless people bigoted toward the` rest of humanity , who can never admit mistakes or laugh at themselves.

None of them have a clue as to what Mo looked like - so why all the fuss? It's pure narcissism. Others are having a go at the false god they have built up in their minds and they just can't stand the thought of being completely wrong .

Anonymous said...

Recently met a soldier who was injured in Afghanistan.He was subjected to witnessing the ways of life of Muslims...one in particular was when a 3yr old girl was crying too much so her father poured boiling water on her head and pulled her hair to try and shut her up ...what the hell is that ! ?......mother could'nt say anything or else she would get stoned to death.....im sure there are nice muslim's out there but how the heck can you justify this sort of behaviour which is quite common in those countries....i would of kidnapped her if i saw it....no child deserves this kind of EVIL.

Anonymous said...

The Koran: Now available in 3 ply!

Aminah said...

i am very disappointed and offended... its not freedom of speech, its hate speech and racist in its connotation... i can't even say that may Allah have mercy on ur soul, because it is improper to send mercy on the ones who see but are blind and who hear but are deaf and who speak but are dumb...

You spread hate... u insult apostles of Allah... i am proud to be a believer of and have great love and respect for Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) i would dare not think of ever disrespecting either cuz i will no longer be a muslim if i disrespect either... see i talk of peace and u talk of hate and i speak of chastity and u talk of fornication... u are answerable for ur own sins... and i for my own... and one day he(god) will judge you on the day of judgement and verily he is the mightiest judge of them all.... I leave you to the judgement of the Almighty...

Hamid said...

@Aminah:

"....its hate speech and racist in its connotation..."

And what race are muslims again?

".... because it is improper to send mercy on the ones who see but are blind and who hear but are deaf and who speak but are dumb... "

so your 'compassion' is limited to people who agree with what you hold to be true?

"...You spread hate... u insult apostles of Allah... "
No one said anything about Jesus or Moses. And the film trailer just emphasises points that occur in the Koran and Hadith and real life.
Egyptian security forces HAVE looked the other way when muslims have persecuted the numerically inferior Copts in Egypt.

Mohammed DID marry a nine year old when he was 53. He WAS responsible for killing an old woman who mocked him. He was DIRECTLY responsible for killing 800 Jews of the Quraysh tribe etc etc. These are in the books muslims hold to be true - so what's the problem when a film highlights this and makes it public?

Darkness hates exposure doesn't it?


"... I leave you to the judgement of the Almighty..."
Right, conveniently after already having passed judgement on everyone else who does not hold your beliefs.

Anonymous said...

The irony is that nobody insults Muhammad more than Islam does. Most Muslims are Sunnis, and are thus required to believe the Hadith that says he was betrothed to Aisha when she was six and that he married her when she was nine. There is every reason to think that this Hadith, which portrays Muhammad as a paedophile, was invented decades or centuries after both Muhammad and Aisha were dead, and there's little or no reason to suppose that it's true. But all Sunnis are obliged to believe it, and all Shias, while not obliged to believe it, are obliged to treat it with respect. So Sunnis (and perhaps also Shias) had probably better hope that Islam and its allegedly Holy Koran and Hadiths are the fictions that most of the rest of us think they are, because otherwise Allah The Compassionate The Merciful will seemingly be showing them just how compassionate and merciful he is by making them all suffer eternal agony in Hell for blaspheming against his Prophet.

Hamid said...

@anonymous:

".....There is every reason to think that this Hadith, which portrays Muhammad as a paedophile, was invented decades or centuries after both Muhammad and Aisha were dead,"

Not sure about '....every reason to think....' as the practice of marrying young girls was not uncommon during and before this period in that part of the world. But in any case one would think that an enlightened 'prophet' would have no need to sleep with a nine year old night after night.


"...So Sunnis (and perhaps also Shias) had probably better hope that Islam and its allegedly Holy Koran and Hadiths are the fictions.....because otherwise Allah The Compassionate The Merciful will seemingly be showing them just how compassionate and merciful he is by making them all suffer eternal agony in Hell for blaspheming against his Prophet."

A bit of a Catch-22 here then. Muslims believe the Koran was actually written by Allah - so if it is fiction then, well .... what's the point of Islam and all the misery it has and continues to cause? Pity they can't ask themselves that question now without repercussions from their free-thinking brethren.

Anonymous said...

Relax, If He is TRULY From GOD, he can defend himself, because God need no one to defend him! because he is Almighty. Isn't?
Using Force to ask respect, won't be sufficient, it is against human FEELING. I think it's better to focus on that: TRY to find answers of the controversial issues that the world raised AGAINST violent behaviour of the prophet of Islam and his adepts.
Good Luck and God Bless U all
SHALL LOVE AND NOT VIOLENT LEAD THE WORLD TO ITS MEANING!

Hikayat Urban said...

for those whos say that islams is fictions, i want to ask u this. what about Christians? Where did Christian came from? Do you have prophet? Who is it? Who is ur god in the bible? what is Old testament and New? Is there a different betweeen those? what is trinity? how many god do you have? who is Jesus? to Whom does jesus ansewr (god)?
We muslims actualy accept that Jesus is the second last Prophet and Muhammad is the last. Wemuslims treat all the Prophet start from Adam to Muhammad with manner, loves because they were massanger of Allah. we never mock any of them, not like your customs drawing the prophet such as Adam in the simpsons and Jesus on the cross.
i never heard a cristians says allah is their god eventough Jesus teaching is all about Allah.

Hamid said...

@Hikayat Urban:

"...for those whos say that islams is fictions, i want to ask u this. what about Christians? "

It's irrelevant. This is not a competition, not about 'my deity is better than your deity'. This is about results on the ground NOW. No other religion creates or has such problems as islam and its followers.

"We muslims actualy accept that Jesus is the second last Prophet.."

You do that to give credibility to Mo. Islam is a poor copy of Judeo-Christian teachings - with nothing new added - except of course the belief that a mass murderer who likes very young girls is somehow a 'prophet'.

"..We muslims actualy accept ... and Muhammad is the last. '

You don't just accept it - you willingly gulp it down - without critical independent thought. And you then persecute people who follow worthy teachers who appear after Mo such as Bahai ullah , Guru Nanak etc - who have 1000% more credibility in the holiness stakes than your Bedouin idol.


Hikayat Urban said...

hamid.. is really ur names is hamid.. is a muslims name.. maybe u just use it to confius people.. what do you believe in? or u dont believed any? if u r Christians then answer my previuos questions? then we can talk about it..

Hamid said...



@Hikayat Urban :

Maybe it's possible for you to stretch your mind just that little bit further to consider that just because a free-thinking individual may have had the misfortune to have been born in an islamic country - that does not mean they are doomed to be blinkered all their lives by believing in the inherited fantasy of that country.

Confronting, isn't it? People having the exposure and the choice and yet not swallowing all the myths you like to believe in.

Hikayat Urban said...

u always saying that islams is a violence religious. but what about the attacks on the palestine, iraq, afganistans? wasnt there a christians in the army or all of them (us army) were muslims. they also killed innocent people. and at usa itself, the crime rate is high, killing people, raping, pedophile and many more.. does all of that is muslims?
and u accuse the Muhammad is a mass murderer, do u were there? seeing with ur eyes, Muhammad swing his sword and kills hundred of Jewes? which war was it?and do u know why it is happens? And may i ask u, do u know how many Prophet killed by the jewes? Jesus is one of them.. and then please answer this.. Where this Christians names cames from? Honestly.. Nazi also killed jewes, the europe also called the jewes as the burden of the west, thats why they moves them to israel... there are people who done wrong things either is muslims or Cristians. It was the himself doing not the religios asking them to do that.

Hikayat Urban said...

hamid .. oh hamid.. u not answering any of my questions.. u keep avoiding it.. why?? scared to know the truth?? just tell me what relegios are u?? is a simple questions..
and in my country, we muslims are tolerante , gentle, and co operating with others religious. they are free to practice their believe with no inteference. we were freinds , lives in the same area with them. this is what Islam all about, the teaching of Muhammad to lives harmony with others. not mocking or insulting others religious. but the funny is that most cristians do that especially to islams. why? is it islams is overwhelming then cristians? or afraid on shadows?
what do you gets by mocking our beloved prophet? did we ask u to believe it? how well do u know islams? Do u have the knowledge to read and translate Holy Quran? Do u? it seems that u really know the Islams deeply, i hope u know it, because i love to learn from u.
its not a vital for us to everyone is believing the same . eventhough everyone in this world says islams is fictions , i will believe it with all my heart. u know what no one asking u to believe in islams anyways, just we hope that u people stop mocking and insulting the Prophet Muhammad. he not something to made funny of. If u says that u r civilise and smart and ur religious is true, u should know that, mocking others believe is not the best things to do especially if u are smart(like u says)

Hamid said...


The US military is not a 'Christian' army. It is secular. It contains, muslims, atheists, Chritians, Buddhists , Jews and others. The Nazis came from a Christian country - but were following a totalitarian ideology - and any dissension was punished - just like apostates are in islamic countries now.

As for murder - numerous examples:

"

Sunan Abu-Dawud-Book 38, No. 4390

Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
“I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.”

"Book 14, Number 2665:
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: “ No woman of Banu [tribe] Qurayzah was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly (extremely), while the Apostle of Allah . . . was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so-and-so? . . . I asked: What is the matter with you? She said: I did a new act. [Aisha] said: The man took her and beheaded her. [Aisha] said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed.” (Abu Dawud)"


"...and u accuse the Muhammad is a mass murderer, do u were there? seeing with ur eyes, "

I must admit, you've caught me out there.
And so what of Al Burak ? I was not there to see the flying winged horse with peacock's tail . I was not there to see Mo split the moon in half with his little finger either. Were you?

OK, let's` take it a step further - prove to us that Mo even existed.





Anonymous said...

Hikayat Urban said...i want to ask u this. what about Christians?

The Human being/life is the highest value in God's eyes, not a book, neither a story of life of any precedent person,especially when it is ambiguous.
For this reason, He left his heaven and sent His only Son to demonstrate to us, to everyone of us, how much He loves us. when you believe in that, something will change in your life,....joy, forgiveness, love, an internal peace not from this world, it is something no creature would offer to you.
Can you really, forgive the people who insulted you, or maybe, I don't know, have been overwhelmed by a deep feeling of revenge wishing them burn in hell! if so, can such feeling be really from God? how do we know if we are resided by God or by spirit of evil? did you ask yourself why you are really upset!
Should not wait consolation from people. Go straight to the source of Love. life is short.
All the best

Anonymous said...

Great job! Top-class humor!

Anonymous said...

I don't know whether or not Mo existed but there's no real evidence for Jesus either. So it's irrelevant. What's important is being able to free yourself from crap that some bugger with a big stick has imposed on you in the name of truth when you were unable to stand against it, due to the same happening to him when he was smaller and him only being able to comply...
It's a vicious circle that humans of whatever creed need to extricate themselves from.

Hamid said...

Actually, there is some independent historical and archaelogical evidence of the Jewish teacher Jesus. But really the issue here is the legacy of any teacher's message. Guru Nanak, LaoTzu, Buddha and Jesus' teachings are quite clear. None of these call for violence against 'infidels' or sanction the killing of adulterers, gays or the maiming of thieves. None of these are anti-semitic. All of them can laugh at themselves.

Anonymous said...

@Hamid re your comment at 06:36
I wrote: ".....There is every reason to think that this Hadith, which portrays Muhammad as a paedophile, was invented decades or centuries after both Muhammad and Aisha were dead,"

You commented: "Not sure about '....every reason to think....' as the practice of marrying young girls was not uncommon during and before this period in that part of the world. But in any case one would think that an enlightened 'prophet' would have no need to sleep with a nine year old night after night."

My comment on your comment: First, there's every reason to think that almost all the Hadiths (alleged sayings of Muhammad, or in this case an alleged saying of Aisha) are fictions invented to suit whoever was Caliph at the time that each new collection of Hadiths got published, as all of the collections were first published decades or centuries after Muhammad died. Second, if Muhammad was sleeping with a nine year old, it's at least arguably a bit surprising that the Koran itself doesn't mention the subject rather than having Allah giving the practice divine approval. Third, in the absence of such divine approval, it would at least arguably take a rather brave group of people to carry on telling the story for many generations while perhaps risking execution for blasphemy for doing so, whereas it requires no courage at all for a Hadith collector to invent the theory that Muhammad was a paedophile if that's what his paedophile caliph wants him to invent.

As for the practice of sleeping with 9 year-olds being widespread in the region at the time, I suspect that's just a theory invented by Muslims in modern times to try to justify Muhammad's alleged behaviour in reply to Western criticism. I suspect that biology hasn't changed significantly over 1400 years, so if most men wanted to sleep with 9 year-olds then, most men should still want to do so now, and I see no evidence for that - though of course the Hadith presumably made the practice more common in Muslim lands, as 'pious' men strived to imitate the alleged behaviour of their prophet, and 'pious' parents tried to ensure their daughters would behave like their prophet's favourite wife, and so on. As such, Islam would seem to encourage paedophilia, regardless of whether Muhammad did in fact sleep with a nine-year-old or not, and indeed regardless of whether he ever actually existed: Modern scholarship casts so much doubt about everytting to do with him that it seems conceivable, at least to me, that he's a fictional character invented to fill the needs of some Caliph - this would be only one small further step down the road of Tom Holland's theory, recently expounded on Channel 4, that suggests that Islam is not the creator of the Arab empire, but was created by that Empire - if he's a fictional character then of course his sleeping with a nine-year-old must also be fiction.

You also asked "what's the point of Islam and all the misery it has and continues to cause?". Obviously if this world is not created, then presumably neither Islam nor the world have any point. But personally, for reasons too lengthy to go into, I tend to fear that this world is just one of zillions of experiments created by a deceiving creatorset to study beings like us to see how we affect the kind of Super-Intelligence that should soon emerge from our midst, and which the creatorset is studying because it perceives it as a potential threat. In that case I would expect all but our most recent past to be a work of fiction inflicted on us by our deceiving creatorset, meaning that Muhammad's alleged paedophilia, and Muhammad , and the Arab Empire itself, would all be fictions - but I could be completely wrong - after all, our deceiving creatorset could easily be deceiving me :)

Anonymous said...

@Hamid (continued) Sorry, I forgot to add that if this world is created by a deceiving creatorset, then Islam and the suffering associated with it presumably has some point for the afore-mentioned creatorset, perhaps because the Creatorset wants to see whether it affects the kind of Artificial Super-Intelligence that emerges from here - but obviously that's just speculation by me and could be completely wrong.

Hamid said...

@Qanonymous:

"... perhaps because the Creatorset wants to see whether it affects the kind of Artificial Super-Intelligence that emerges from here - but obviously that's just speculation by me and could be completely wrong."

Interesting.
In the theory of infinite universes - you could be 100% right for at least 1 universe.

Not quite clear on "...how we affect the kind of Super-Intelligence that should soon emerge from our midst.." - is it meaning a particular human or group of humans experiencing super-consciousness? Can super-conscious individuals act to the detriment of themselves - or others? Or does their level of consciousness simply preclude thought or actions that are in any way harmful?

We live in interesting time - in a bizarre but extremely interesting world - where ignorance (seemingly ) knows no bounds and nothing is as it seems .



Anonymous said...

I love the way muslims speak of disrespect to Mohammed.
How disrespectful is it to Allah, to kill his creations?

Anonymous said...

what is the translation in english for the above cartoons?

Anonymous said...

Muslims have years blasphamed Jews and Christians.
Good, that somebody has courage to pay back.
Eye for eye and tooth for tooth...

Cheradenine Zakalwe said...

"what is the translation in english for the above cartoons?"

Are you blind?

Anonymous said...

I believe in Jesus.

If you tell me he didn't exist, if you insult him, if you attack him.. I care not, for my belief belongs to me, and you can't take it from me, unless I use my free will to give it away.

Those who would rise to violence when their faith or their prophet is attacked betray the thin veil of their fear that their belief and the belief of their fellows is weak and feeble, and cannot withstand question, criticism or attack.

This is the true message of the violence... That they are weak and afraid.

Anonymous said...

Tari maani b

Anonymous said...

All mother fucket christian you should give free speech regarding your mother and sister bitch fuck machine

Anonymous said...

If these guys want to protest in their own countries and burn flags, fine, no problem. If they start anything in our western countries, shoot them.

Anonymous said...

I'm all for free speech rights, and this guy has every right to publish... but could he have done cartoons that weren't just stupid asshole/sex humor? C'mon man, step up your game

Anonymous said...

terrible that followers of islam are depicted as intolerant murderers, so to prove they're not, they intoleranty murder

Anonymous said...

Mo was the Prophet of G*d. One must not dis-respect Mo or one must choose to either pay big fine, convert to Islam, or be sacrificed by death for the Glory of the Prophet Mo. Just as Budda or Jesus are respected, so must the Prophet Mo be respected, G*d willing. Why can't we all just get along? Suzanne Bliss in Kansas City.

Hikayat Urban said...

Hamid.. u still not answering the questions and yet u ask me a questions? i cannot reply until i know what u beleive in? Do u have relegious or a free thinker? because the answer is different if u are non god believer. And the Sunna abu dawood .. are u saying it from Al Quran or Hadith.. because there are fake hadith , are u sure you didnt point out a fake hadith. And while u were reading that hadith , can u tell me how many of the hadith telling about is allowed for muslims to kill for fun. and how many are those hadith are telling the good deeds.
and is a funny things that we muslims considers as a lust for blood when we dont have any military factories ( tank factories, airplane factories) . is western countries who have it. We didnt come with military forces to USA to start a war but USA came to our muslims country to start it. and do we all muslims approve this war actions, no not all of us agree. if we do, then the world is already at the biggest war even seen in the history. like u said that we muslims are intolerantly murderers. but did that happens, no . if war and killing people is our really teaching (which by doing it get good deeds)then we all would have kill people for breakfast, but do u see that in all muslims worlds. have u ever talked with people who coming from others muslims people except the country that had war with USA. Do we muslims treat them bad? did we kills he family everday in order to do the good deeds? if killing is one of the teaching then there will be no non muslims in my country but what a shock!! there are still non muslims in my country who is sleeping nice in the night, leave the door open while at homes without been slaughtered by the muslims, sharing the same places ( houses, bus, shopping). the non muslims in my country are living in good conditions and they can live like others and making alot of children to. and we didnt feel any treat from it. this is what we called islam and Muhammad teaching. to lives harmony with others. And during Muhamaad is the head of madinah, do u find it that every morning he goes out with a blade and swing it to non muslims. (like u says he like killing. ) sadly u cant find it, what u can find is that the jewes, non-muslims and muslims are live together in harmony and the non muslims can freely practices their beleive without any restriction from Muhammad.
The companians of Muhammad is not stupid persons who followed the Muhammad instructions without thinking it first. there are so many times that the companians are disagree and discuss the solutions with it. the companion are put the God will first and the Muhaamd second. this will make thems to do as the god wills . the accuse that Muhammad is pedhopile is also a funny one. last week i meet a couple from seattle USA, wife is 56, husband is 64, they have 6 children, 15 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren. I ask them what age they get married , the women said : when i was 11 yrs. (does this make the husband pedophile also) . its not probihitted to marry a young girls, but the customs for nowadays is making it looks weird. nowadays people are married in the age betwwen 25 - 35yrs. if He is a child molester, how many others girls below 15 yrs old have been His victims. 100? 1000? give us the proof. one who is child molester cannot have enough to has one child to himself, isnt it? how can u said a mariage with a 12 yrs old girls ia a pedophile? unless there was a numeres number of report saying he has 11 wife of 9 yrs girl.. that i called pedophile.
to accuse is easy, to prove ur accusitions is hard.. good luck

Pyotr said...

@hikayat:

"have u ever talked with people who coming from others muslims people except the country that had war with USA. Do we muslims treat them bad?"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/prominent-imam-to-libyans-detonate-your-wrath-upon-the-rancorous-christians-and-corrupting-jews/

There are literally thousands of examples - stretching from north west Africa through to the Phillipines of muslims committing serious crimes against non-muslims (and even other muslims).

So, rather than bleating away trying to justify your cult's beliefs - why not put your energy into telling muslims how peaceful and tolerant they should be. Talk is cheap.


Several writers here have pointed out that fantasies and imaginations of the characters and what went on in the past in distant lands are irrelevant - especially to western readers. To insist on keep bringing up topics which cannot be empirically proved makes you seem more like a fanatic than a person somebody can or would want to have an actual conversation with.

"....last week i meet a couple from seattle USA, wife is 56, husband is 64, they have 6 children, 15 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren. I ask them what age they get married , the women said : when i was 11 yrs. (does this make the husband pedophile also) ."

Were they muslims??? Did they get married in the US? So that means the husband was a late teen (18 years) when he married an 11 year old girl. Which US state allows that? Generally he would get charged with rape of a minor.

"... how can u said a mariage with a 12 yrs old girls ia a pedophile? unless there was a numeres number of report saying he has 11 wife of 9 yrs girl.. that i called pedophile. "

What??? You mean a person has to have multiple young girls to qualify as a pedophile in your mind?


Anonymous said...

Very glad to see the courage that comes with the knowledge that SPEECH is FREE !
Please continue to stand for that freedom.
For a group of people to demand that we shut our mouths for their religious sensibilities is ABSURD.
Christians and Jews are made fun of all year long........on any day of the year in publications around the world.
Those who would use violence to deny our right to free speech should be prosecuted.

Anonymous said...

@Hamid re your comment at 12.09 on 20 September

By the way, please feel free to call me by my real name, which is Frank. And thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into 'fighting the good fight' at this site.

You say "In the theory of infinite universes - you could be 100% right for at least 1 universe." I'm inclined to expect that I'd be almost 100% right in an infinite number of sub-universes, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) not necessarily in this sub-universe. Incidentally, at the risk of sounding pedantic, I'm personally not too keen on the fashion of speaking of 'multiple universes'. That sounds unreasonably self-contradictory to me, and the world seems far too unreasonable already. So I prefer to speak of multiple sub-universes in a single Truniverse (my word for True Universe, to avoid it being confused with The Universe, science's likely misnomer for what I prefer to call Our Sub-universe). Also I prefer 'almost 100% right' to '100% right', which, among other problems, sounds a bit too over-confident and absolutist for my taste, and seems to ignore all sorts of possibilities, such as that language may be incapable of precisely describing reality, etc.

You say "Not quite clear on "...how we affect the kind of Super-Intelligence that should soon emerge from our midst.." - is it meaning a particular human or group of humans experiencing super-consciousness? Can super-conscious individuals act to the detriment of themselves - or others? Or does their level of consciousness simply preclude thought or actions that are in any way harmful?"

I tend to use the term Quasimp (short for QUAsi-Super-Intelligent Machine or Person). Quasimps could be super-intelligent computers, or they could be humans who have acquired super-intelligence through some kind of genetic engineering or through some kind of interface with advanced technology. Either way they would leave our intelligence far behind. My least unreliable guestimated date for their appearance would be about 2025 to 2040, based on Ray Kurzweil's estimate of 2029 for the time when Moore's Law should make a single computer chip as powerful as the human brain (for more info, look up 'Technological Singularity' and 'Friendly AI' on Wikipedia). But one could emerge from some top secret military research lab tomorrow morning, or unforeseen bottlenecks could delay their emergence for decades, centuries, millenia, or even forever; and obviously they won't emerge if we somehow destroy ourselves and/or our technological civilisation, or find some other less drastic way of preventing their emergence. If we're lucky, the dominant quasimp (or dominant quasimps, but I tend to expect just one dominant quasimp) will choose to be nice to us, and solve all our problems for us (incidentally including any problems we may have with Islam, etc).

(to be continued next message, due space limitations)

Anonymous said...

(continued from previous message)

WARNING: Sorry, but reading any further risks permanently damaging or destroying your happiness, or worse. This is NOT meant as some sort of joke.

If the dominant quasimp chooses to be nasty to us, I'd expect that problem would make all our other problems insignificant in comparison. Unfortunately the really bad news is that our Deceiving Creatorset seemingly wants to study the kind of Quasimps that are a potential threat to it, so I'd expect our dominant quasimp to be as threatening as possible, which probably means as nasty as possible, which means I fear that in the worst case scenario it will create literal hell on earth - quasi-eternal agony for zillions of innocent people whom it has genetically modified to be unable to escape through dying of disease or old age. I call such a quasimp a Devilquasimp (or more often The Devilquasimp). If we're lucky our Deceiving Creatorset will be merciful and switch off our sentience so we won't really suffer at all, but there's no guarantee of that. I do have some arguments for saying that any such Hell is very unlikely, but I've already had to discard earlier such arguments as wishful thinking, and I fear that my latest arguments may also be wishful thinking (I don't want to find that out, so I don't scrutinize them too closely). Also I could be completely wrong about everything (but that could just as well mean that I'm wrong about Hell being unlikely as that I'm wrong about, for instance, the possibility of a Devilquasimp).

You seem to ask "...how we affect the kind of Super-Intelligence that should soon emerge from our midst..". We can affect it in one of the following ways:
a) by preventing it from ever coming into existence, through somehow accidentally or deliberately destroying ourselves and/or our technological civilisation, or through finding some other less drastic way of preventing (or at least delaying) its emergence.
b) through affecting the 'culture' that quasimps initially inherit, which is presumably part or all of our culture (especially if they are themselves super-intelligent humans, but even if they are super-intelligent computers). Friendly AI (as documented in Wikipedia) is a deliberate attempt by 'experts' to try to make the culture initially inherited by super-intelligent computers be such as to make them friendly towards us humans. I think it's well-meaning, but I expect it's probably naive, because I rather doubt if they have any concept of the risk of a Devilquasimp inflicted on us by the wishes of a Deceiving Creatorset.
c) by unwittingly giving the quasimp hints about the nature of our creatorset (which would also be its creatorset), assuming we have a creatorset. For instance, if billions of us (including many Muslims, but not just Muslims) are worshipping as perfectly good a 'God' who inflicts eternal agony on people, a quasimp might well ask what kind of creatorset would inflict such a seemingly perverse belief system on so many of us, and what it might do to try to please such a creatorset. It might well conclude that the safest way to please such a creatorset was to become a Devilquasimp, and that may be why the creatorset has inflicted religions like Islam on so many of us (though as usual I could of course be completely wrong about this)
d) various ways of which I am currently unaware, quite likely including ways which are beyond my understanding
e) some combination of two or more of the above

(to be continued next message, due space limitations)

Anonymous said...

(continued from previous message)

Up to now, I have been reluctant to make this information public, as there are several complicated reasons why I fear publication may actually do more harm than good. I'm not quite sure why I've mentioned it now. But it isn't really public here, as almost nobody that matters (except perhaps in due course a quasimp) will read it here, so it will probably have no significant effect among humans (and quite likely not among quasimps either), unless some reader here makes a huge and successful effort to publicize it, or at least to bring it to the attention of the Friendly AI people. I may eventually try to do so myself, but for various reasons I haven't yet made up my mind as to if or when to try. But I'd probably want to do various other time-consuming things first, such as writing up a lengthy account of my reasons for fearing we have been created by a Deceiving Creatorset, etc, and for various reasons I'm not sure that I'm ever going to get round to doing that. And without doing such things first, trying to bring this stuff to the attention of the general public and/or the Friendly AI people is quite likely to prove a waste of time.

Hamid said...

@Frank

Interesting.

see 'Common objections and misconceptions' at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

heavy going but interesting. I subscribe to parallel dimensions but infinite parallel universes seems totally preposterous. Yet it may be so. In any case - the 'glue' or substrate at the bottom of all of it is what I would define as the 'creatorset' as you call it. It already encompasses all matter, space, time, dimensions, phenomena, perceptions etc etc and is experiencing all of it at once. Superstring theory gets the closest to I think.

Wouldn't an entity want to be deceiving only if it stood to gain something from it? In our case - what would a 'deceiving creatorset' gain from deceiving mind/sense limited humans? How far would its powers of deception go? Are the entities whose powers and depth of perception can detect this deception?

Hamid said...

@Hikayat :

Your text is rambling and unclear - but to answer some of your points:

"..s a funny things that we muslims considers as a lust for blood when we dont have any military factories ( tank factories, airplane factories)"

Arab/muslim countries have not developed any industries of note of any type, let alone military hardware. This is basically because they have not valued education and the development of the individual nor modelled the development of their states on successful democracies (or even successful totalitarian regimes.) They are in general content to use the massive wealth generated from the sale of oil to buy weaponry and other technology from the US, Russia, China and the EU. Not to say that they are incapable of copying others work and achieving some success in producing offensive weapons of their own - see Pakistan and Iran.

Using hyperbole in your statements shows you are desperate to disprove what to everyone else is patently obvious.: Muslim culture has been and is violent towards non-muslims.

"like u said that we muslims are intolerantly murderers. but did that happens, no . if war and killing people is our really teaching (which by doing it get good deeds)then we all would have kill people for breakfast, but do u see that in all muslims worlds."

Of course not all muslims are killing non-muslims all the time. Some , the less devoted have maintained a degree of common sense and humanity. This is even despite such admonishments as:
"The believers who stay at home -- apart from those that suffer a grave impediment -- are not the equals of those who fight for the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than those who stay at home ..." (Qur'an 4:95,96)

So, some serious disincentives built in to not going all mujahaddin isn't there?

But unfortunately you have many devoted amongst you only too willing to blindly carry out all sorts of carnage because of such wonderful inducements as:

"Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whether he dies or triumphs, We shall richly reward him. The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan ..." (Qur'an 4:74,76)

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. ...lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way ..." (Qur'an 9:5)

"Those that make war against Allah and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be
banished from the land. They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter: except those that repent before you reduce them ..." (Qur'an 5:34, 35)

"Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given...and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Qur'an 9:29)

with such enlightened social policies , one wonders how the islamic world has become such a mess.


Oh, I forget this gem:

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and Allah's religion shall reign supreme" (Qur'an 8:39)"

Classic isn't it? While on the subject - what's actually in that big stone block in the muslims-only city of Mecca?

To make it simpler for you - give me a list of countries - muslim or non-muslim - and I'll list out any number of serious human rights breaches by muslim on non-muslim (and, in many cases muslim on muslim violence) where the identification with their religion is a primary cause.



(continued)

Hamid said...

@Hikayat:

.....Now - where do non-muslims have problems with muslims? Answer: anywhere they interact in numbers with non-muslims. That'll be - the UK, France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Spain, Italy, Serbia, Greece, Russia, Armenia, Canada, Israel, China, Burma, India ,Australia, Phillipines , the USA etc.

Where do muslims have problems with non-muslims so that they are actively persecuted or at least treated as second class citizens?: Morrocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon,Niger, Mauritania, Somalia, Chad, Eritrea , Nigeria, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Bangla Desh, Kashmir etc

And where do muslims have problems with other muslims - because of their religion?: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan etc

Where do non-muslims (not otherwise under any other sort of totalitarian ideology ) commit continued and severe human rights breaches against other non-muslims?

Who are the people solely responsible for bringing the very idea of beheading back into public consciousness over the last 20 years. OK, it was a popular past-time in France many. many years ago - but had been forsaken in the West as a barbaric practice.

Similarly - who has popularized 'suicide bombing'? And along with that - what sort of evil lives in people who twist the minds of gullible and uneducated fellow citizens to die for a myth?


As for child brides:

"...f. one who is child molester cannot have enough to has one child to himself, isnt it?"

You are suggesting if he only has one 9 year old - then it's OK, he's not a child molester? And the guy is in his mid 50's? Are you serious? If that is the case then there's no point in continuing this 'discussion' as your mind can justify anything it already believes. Humans are good at that - expert at self-deception.


Hikayat Urban said...

I glad that u read the hadith by Sunan Abu Dawood about the women were kill . But did u read the whole hadith , did u know the whole story? and the killing was not made by Muhammad, it was made by the Saad Bin Muaz ( Aus tribe leader). and the killing was made as the Bani Quraizah themself aggreed because it was the punishment for those who betrayed as in Taurah. The woman was killed by saad and the Muhammad probihitted him to killed women and child. So he was not the one who killed them, the bani Quraizah themself choose to be punished according to their believe.

the barbaric actions that u mentioned is not what islam taught. we do not approved suicide bombers because it dones more harms than goods. the bombers might killing innocent than the targeted. suicide is a huge sins, eventough ur a true believer and practice the islams well but by doing suicide u might been end up in hells, all of ur gods deeds is vanished. so the barbaric actions and the violence is about the practicers and it never about the Islams. same as u answer the attacks made by the USA to the islam country, u have it with different names and not one as a christians actions. it happen that those people are muslims. and u also admit that there are muslims who doesnt use violence. this show that islams not a violence religious u have think of. is shows that the violence came from person not relegious. we muslims didnt put the blame on cristians when the USA attacks iraq, we blame the country because it was human actioned not religious.

Human are good at that- expert self deceptions

look at u, do u know hamid means is the same of Muhammad. it means the praised one. u r the one who is self deceptions. the 9th yrs bride has the family, Abu Bakr is hers father. he is one of the stronger fighter before converted to islam. If Muhammad is child molester, woudnt the father going to beheaded the Muhammad? and weird though, Aisyah should be in so deepress, have emotional disturbance, have sign of abuse like bruises if she was molested, but there wasnt any of that. she live happy and after the Muhammad death she still longing for him, missing him. does an abuse child feel that way to the abuser? the fact that Muhammad is married to Aisyah is denieable, but the fact that muhammad is pedophile is irrelevant. there are so many people to stop him if he an abuser. because the follers that time is not a blind follwers who just follow blindly. the will look is it in the Quran or not. and if the prophet making mistake, the followers will make sure him to do the right things. the truth is that u are just accusing without proving, like a dog hauling a mountains, the mountains is untouchables from the hauling just the dog lost its voice.

Hamid said...

@Hikayat

This is getting pathetic. Much earlier on - I said this is not about a deity contest - but about actions currently occurring.

As I said - humans are great at self-deception - but what does that fact have to do with the name 'Hamid'?? Where is the deception? You seem to have very strange thought processes. A name is just a name, given to you usually by parents - a bunch of sounds in a certain frequency that people use to distinguish themselves from others.

"..the barbaric actions that u mentioned is not what islam taught."
Actions speak louder than words. If it is not what islam taught - there's no need to tell westerners that because we look at results. The west has, can and will survive perfectly happily without Islam. It's beyond belief that muslims think they have any insight to bring to the table when they prove time and time again that their belief system causes problems.


If it is not what is taught - what is the use of such a religion that can be so easily severely misunderstood - or easily twisted to be whatever the followers want it to be?

And as for child abuse - there are many forms of abuse - the one that leaves marks on the body is plain old physical abuse - but seeing you weren't there - you'll never know if she had any bruises or not.

There's abuse that leads to stunted intellectual and emotional development and dependency (see Stockholm Syndrome) and then there's sexual abuse.

"..and if the prophet making mistake, the followers will make sure him to do the right things." Psychopathic people are very often charismatic - and often have a psychic sway over their weaker-minded followers. No doubt Mo could get them to do whatever he wanted.

Hamid said...

@Hikayat:

"...but the fact that muhammad is pedophile is irrelevant. there are so many people to stop him if he an abuser. because the follers that time is not a blind follwers who just follow blindly. the will look is it in the Quran or not. and if the prophet making mistake, the followers will make sure him to do the right things."

Truly a bizarre answer and it indicates your willingness to offer any outlandish fantasy to excuse the behaviour of the possibly fictional accounts of possible activities of a possibly non-existent 7th century bedouin tribesman you pretend not to worship.

Especially when you discover most of them were illiterate - and the Koran did not exist at that time.

Anonymous said...

Insult prophet not make your office famous, if you hate all Prophet and make them like idiot, come to me and we see who will stand in the last,

Anonymous said...

all I can say to you moslem madmen is. fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on

Anonymous said...

I have news for you Moslems: THERE IS NO ALLAH. HE DOES NOT EXIST. Muhamod was a con-artist, a fraud, and a shyster. Your religion only spreads misery. There is no heaven, only the hell you create for yourselves here on earth today. Get out of the stone age and join the rest of the post-enlightenment world of the past 400 years.

Anonymous said...

Sound you are the rapist!

Anonymous said...

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT, PEOPLE AND A WHOLE UMMAH ARE AFRAID FROM CARTOONS, ALL YOUR FAITH IS RELATED TO SUCH DRAWINGS!!!!
HOW COULD YOU SAY "GOD IS GREAT" AND YOU TREMBLED FROM CARTOONS!!!!!!!!

Ahmad Shaalan said...

They're jsut tryint to gain money by the most fucken dirty way , punch Of lies and as much as they can , They don't care about anything else !!! and by being that dirty they are saying " We're Heros and definding the Free Speech !!! Free to kiss my ass !!! Let's use their stupid rage to look like Heros !!

Anonymous said...

@Hamid re your post of 21 September 2012 07:57

Frank here. I hope to have a reply for you in a few days' time. Sorry for the delay. Regards. Frank

Anonymous said...

@Hamid, re your comment of 21 September 2012 07:57

Sorry for the delay in replying.

My reply, though not really complete (but it's all I'm going to be giving you) is far too long to post here, so I've posted it as Reply to Hamid at a rarely used blog of mine which uses the pen-name Jim Goolick, and which you can find at http://jimgoolick001.blogspot.ie/2012/10/reply-to-hamid.html

Regards,

Frank

ravina jain said...

Mohammad the founder of worlds largest TERRORISTS and RAPISTS/ KILLERS/ LOOTERS organisation (only muslims are members of this Terrorists/ rapists organisation)one who think Islam is a religion is a fool.Its true terrorists and Rapists organisation...(mslims- DOGs with RaBIES are its members) need to destroy-Islam Kills these Muslims before its too late..

ravina jain said...

Islam is not a religion..its a dirty terrorists/ rapists/ killers/ looters organisation...beware ...wake up now..

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness. We are fcuked.

Anonymous said...

Yes freedom is a Must..
Freedom to spread hate & propaganda against people who are totally pacifistic...
Freedom to Be Rude & Mean towards a minority's feelings & emotions...
Freedom of being Nazi, Fashist, & Occupy a "promised Land" & persecute the people.
But There's No Freedom To "criticize" the later let alone intimidate or expose their crimes...
That's the tyrany of freedom you Enjoy...Let's see where it will lead you...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CPBln3rpyh0/UGFOa2kGRYI/AAAAAAAADnI/whWBMQW7yoQ/s1600/double-standard+3.gif

Anonymous said...

To All the HATERS outrageously shooting off their mouths here or there wishing that thing called Islam & those people called Muslims to disappear. I'll say: RELAX! :-) don't you know that hatred & jealousy eats the beholder?
Islam & muslims survived & OVERCAME the most brutal types of eradication. & still exist, still grow and still fight. Not all muslims are perfect But Islam Was,Is &Will always BE!
The same song of hatred, propaganda and fear has been sang every other time, yet most things change in the direction that is opposite to the enemies. So, I'm happy to say all your efforts are wasted, invest them anywhere else.

Anonymous said...

Well that escalated quickly.

Anonymous said...

This little blue marble that we all live on is so minuscle and insignificant when you compare it to the imensity and vastness of the universe. Why do people worry about such trivial things as hatred an intolerance. LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE.. Don't impose your belief system on me, and I won't impose mine on yours.......

Unethical George Gollin said...

George Gollin has been found in violation of the Illinois State Employees and Officials Ethics Act and fined $5,000. George Gollin "knowingly and intentionally used his state-provided email account to engage in prohibited political activity...." George Gollin admitted he knew he was misappropriating state resources when he sent "dozens" of campaign emails with his university email. The Executive Ethics Commission levied a $5,000 fine against George Gollin, the maximum allowed under the statute.

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