Thursday, 6 September 2012

Here are some extracts from an interview with Monsignor Bernard Ginoux, the Catholic bishop of Montauban, where Mohamed Merah, as a true and faithful Muslim, recently performed his duty of jihad.
La Nef: In France, mosques are being built while churches are sold or destroyed. As a bishop, how do you experience this new situation?

Mgr Bernard Ginoux – For the Catholic that I am, it is normal to recognise the freedom of religion and its practice. Society has the duty to grant each religion the means for practising it. There are, however, the history and the centuries that have made France what it is, such that the presence of of numerous of the Muslim believers is disrupting our habits. The French landscape may change in the course of this century and the church tower no longer be the symbol that Mr Mitterand advocated in his electoral campaign in 1981. It us up to those who govern us and all of us to be sure that the stakes are respected: we are called to dialogue but not submission!

Does French-style secularism seem to you to be an effective and appropriate way of responding to the challenge of Islam and facilitating the integration of Muslims?

The concept of "secularism", in contrast to what the opinion writers tell us, is purely Christian. It has its origins in the precept of Jesus, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's" (Matthew 22, 21). Secularism, properly understood, does not imply the absence of religion but its autonomy in relation to the state and vice versa. The establishment of Islam in a France shaped by the law of 1905 [Law on secularism, mandating separation of church and state] disturbs the certainties of the Republic and its will to limit religion to the private sphere. Because it is political, Islam cannot not live publicly: it shapes society; for it, everything is political. There is thus a permanent misunderstanding with a society that wants to be "without God" and which, at the same time, is, in its culture, the heir to Christianity. The modus vivendi of the French Republic with Catholicism cannot be applied to Islam because the latter is too far from its own design. I've often noted here that the administration thinks of religions based on the Catholic model, which is clearly ill-suited to Islam.

...What, in your opinion, are the conditions for a fruitful dialogue between the Church and the Muslim institutions?
In my role as Bishop, I meet Muslim officials. The difficulty is in knowing how representative they really are. We are confronted with this reality: by its very structure Islam does not really permit institutional dialogue. There remains the dialogue between people. This dialogue, which is necessary, starts with mutual knowledge, which allows us to understand our differences better and to think more accurately. Every time I encounter a Muslim he speaks to me about God. In that way, he wants me to understand that we can have common ground. But I know that we don't speak the same language. The god of Islam may well be the "all-powerful creator" but not the God of love, the Trinity that Jesus Christ, the son, revealed to the world.

Source: La Nef

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

The concept of "secularism", in contrast to what the opinion writers tell us, is purely Christian. It has its origins in the precept of Jesus, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's" (Matthew 22, 21). Secularism, properly understood, does not imply the absence of religion but its autonomy in relation to the state and vice versa.

Many people in the West, particularly atheists, are under the impression that secularism is a product of atheism and the Enlightenment. This is not so. Secularism was built and shaped by very devout Christians was necessary to stop the continued meddling of the state in matters that were of no concern to the state, such as which version of the Bible could be read, or the manner and delivery of the communion.

Anonymous said...

"All of Islam is politics." –Ayatolla Khomeini

Anne said...

Anon, 18:52, it sure is. And it's having a very bad affect on our ability to reign it in because it calls itself a religion.

Mike Bizzaro said...

"Monsignor" Bernard Ginoux is an automatically excommunicated heretic group leader of Satan's vatican-2 heresy which completely controls our formerly Catholic properties.

We see this by his own insane words ... that "The god of Islam may well be the 'all-powerful creator'."

I list a mountain of heresy where the "koran" wildly deviates from the Old Testament writings of God's covenant with Abraham on Section 113.1 of Immaculata-one.dot.

Catholic Faith (pre-fulfillment) writing of Daniel 9:26
"Christ shall be slain: and the people that shall deny Him shall not be His."

Catholic Faith (pre-fulfillment) writing of Proverbs 30:4 >
"Who hath ascended up into Heaven, and descended? Who hath held the wind in His hands? Who hath bound up the waters together as in a garment? Who hath raised up all the borders of the earth? What is His name, and what is the name of His Son, if thou knowest?"

Etc.

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"Islam" has NOTHING to do with the God of Abraham (the Catholic God) ... and neither does this liar Bernard Ginoux.

If Ginoux wants to become a Christian he has to make a Formal Abjuration of Heresy which I provide on Section 19.1 of Immaculata-one.com.

Atheisto said...

"If Ginoux wants to become a Christian he has to make a Formal Abjuration of Heresy which I provide on Section 19.1 of Immaculata-one.com."

Nutty as a fruitcake and absolutely unfunny.

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